XPost: comp.sys.mac.advocacy, alt.computer.workshop   
   From: nuh-uh@nope.com   
      
   On 2026-02-09 11:53, Joel W. Crump wrote:   
   > On 2/9/26 2:38 PM, Alan wrote:   
   >   
   >>>>>>>   What a load of bullshit, dude, you just work for Apple, so   
   >>>>>>> you're getting your slice of the pie.  It's obvious.   
   >>>>>>   
   >>>>>> Nope. Sorry. The closest I ever came to "work[ing] for Apple" was   
   >>>>>> when I was selling Macs at an Apple dealer...   
   >>>>>>   
   >>>>>> nearly 30 YEARS ago.   
   >>>>>   
   >>>>> I want to believe you, but it would really almost be worse, to be   
   >>>>> such a fan that you do this backbreaking work for them without   
   >>>>> being compensated.  When I first came to the advocacy newsgroups, I   
   >>>>> was promoting Windows 7, for example, I have my past as a Linux   
   >>>>> skeptic, but I also promoted what was then called OpenOffice, I was   
   >>>>> critical of MS in ways that showed insight and willingness to   
   >>>>> acknowledge its flaws.   
   >>>>>   
   >>>>> You don't seem to have anything negative to say about Apple.   
   >>>>   
   >>>> I have lots of negative things to say.   
   >>>>   
   >>>> You're just not paying attention.   
   >>>   
   >>> That's obviously a lie, you won't admit the SSD overcharging issue,   
   >>   
   >> WHAT "overcharging issue" would that be: the alleged 13V "spike"...   
   >>   
   >> ...which applies whether or not your SSD is soldered or socketed?   
   >   
   >   
   > Cost, not electricity, as the rest of my sentence you split said.   
   >   
   >   
   >>> something that is transparently price gouging, no matter how much   
   >>> it's talked about you stick to your guns, because you literally are   
   >>> an Apple employee, paid to post here.   
   >>   
   >> No. I am not.   
   >   
   >   
   > OK.   
      
   Charging what people are willing to pay is NOT "overcharging"...   
      
   ...UNLESS THEY HAVE NO OPTION BUT TO PAY.   
      
   Since Apple isn't the only maker of personal computers, people are   
   willingly choosing to buy what Apple offers...   
      
   ...precisely because it isn't about the components.   
      
   It is about buying a whole system that they find works well for them.   
      
   >   
   >   
   >>>>>>>>>>> If all their revenue for the Mac line is hardware sales, it's   
   >>>>>>>>>>> weird how they don't focus more on having competitive hardware,   
   >>>>>>>>>>> but that's Apple,   
   >>>>>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>>>> Their hardware sells well.   
   >>>>>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>>>> Mac sales figures continue to trend upward, so you proceed   
   >>>>>>>>>> from a false premise.   
   >>>>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>>> Shitty OEM PCs sell well, too.   
   >>>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>> OK? So?   
   >>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>> How do you not see the point, we know Apple sells a lot, the   
   >>>>>>> question is whether this really makes sense if consumers knew   
   >>>>>>> what they were actually paying for.   
   >>>>>>   
   >>>>>> And once again, you assume that only you are smart enough to   
   >>>>>> figure out this kind of thing.   
   >>>>>   
   >>>>> I don't assume any such thing, actually.   
   >>>>   
   >>>> That is LITERALLY what you assumed.   
   >>>>   
   >>>> "If consumers knew" assumes that they do NOT.   
   >>>   
   >>> So that means I think *I* am the only one who sees through this?   
   >>> 'Cause I am not.  Lots of people hate Apple for very similar reasons   
   >>> to mine.   
   >>   
   >> "Hate"? Dude... ...HATING a company because they sell their products   
   >> at prices people are willing to pay is messed up.   
   >>   
   >> You should seek out a mental health professional.   
   >   
   >   
   > No.  Because I see right through what Apple is doing.  You are a nice   
   > guy, more or less, but you are a privileged, (presumably) white person   
   > with the means to afford Apple's stuff.  As such, you are a cash cow to   
   > them.  A willing victim of their price gouging.  Your money to spend,   
   > sure, you may think it's worth it, I don't dispute that, but it's still   
   > completely ridiculous that half of a 512 GB SSD is $200.   
      
   And out come the personal insults...   
      
   >   
   >   
   >>>>> It might come relatively easily to me, but common sense should tell   
   >>>>> a potential customer visiting Apple's site that their Mac line is   
   >>>>> overpriced.  And comparing it to PCs they will definitely find   
   >>>>> products that offer betters specs at comparable quality.  This is   
   >>>>> why Mac users are a cult, they stand out as being exceedingly loyal   
   >>>>> to a company that gouges them.   
   >>>>   
   >>>> But you ASSUME that the only things that matter are the hardware specs.   
   >>>>   
   >>>> They are NOT the only things that matter.   
   >>>   
   >>> They matter in price.  What is Apple giving you otherwise, their crap   
   >>> software?   
   >>   
   >> You saying it's "crap" doesn't make it so?   
   >   
   >   
   > It is crap, by any objective standard.  Right-brained people like it,   
   > though, and I don't begrudge that.   
      
   If that were true, you could explain how.   
      
   You never have.   
      
   >   
   >   
   >>> AppleCare if you pay extra?  Nonstandard interface ports that they   
   >>> claim are better 'cause they say so?  What a joke.  What a total   
   >>> cult.  And you're the ringleader.   
   >>   
   >> What "non-standard" ports has Apple ever used, since ADB (Apple   
   >> Desktop Bus)?   
   >   
   >   
   > You know, I actually have to concede something here.  The EU forced them   
   > to make iPhone jacks USB-C, which was a downgrade to make them   
   > compatible with other manufacturers' chargers.  So, in that respect, I   
   > actually think Apple was superior, albeit for the function of charging   
   > the device, not using it.   
      
   Apple introduced most of the ports that advanced the personal computer   
   standard.   
      
   When IBM-style PCs had only parallel ports, Apple introduced Macs with   
   SCSI that allowed up to 7 devices to be attached to one port.   
      
   When the IBM-style PC was using ISA slots, Apple introduced Macs that   
   used a far superior open standard called NuBus.   
      
   USB: an open standard first widely available on the original iMac.   
      
   Firewire: an open standard far faster than USB at the time.   
      
   Thunderbolt: an open standard far faster than USB at its introduction.   
      
   Etc.   
      
   >   
   >   
   >>>   The best Mac app is Microsoft Office!  Imagine!  I hate that shit   
   >>> when it's on Winblows, but I dug the Mac version when I saw it in   
   >>> 2010.  But most of the small apps I downloaded/registered/whatever   
   >>> for then-OS X were just pathetic crapware, made by brain-damaged   
   >>> nerds. Luckily, neither Windows nor macOS are necessary, since GNU/   
   >>> Linux gives me the same sleekness of macOS while improving on   
   >>> Windows' robustness overall, a win-win.   
   >   
   >> You've yet to actually articulate a problem that ANY macOS software in   
   >> particular has.   
   >>   
   >> What's some piece of software that YOU ACTUALLY USE that is better   
   >> than the macOS equivalent?   
   >   
   >   
   > Linux is a better system to run Unix software than macOS, and I prefer   
   > the average app developed for the Unix platform to the average macOS app.   
   So asked to name an application you actually use that's better than the   
   macOS equivalent...   
      
   ...you surrendered.   
      
   Got it.   
      
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