XPost: comp.sys.mac.advocacy, alt.computer.workshop   
   From: nuh-uh@nope.com   
      
   On 2026-02-09 15:56, Joel W. Crump wrote:   
   > On 2/9/26 3:53 PM, Alan wrote:   
   >   
   >>>>>>>>>   What a load of bullshit, dude, you just work for Apple, so   
   >>>>>>>>> you're getting your slice of the pie.  It's obvious.   
   >>>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>> Nope. Sorry. The closest I ever came to "work[ing] for Apple"   
   >>>>>>>> was when I was selling Macs at an Apple dealer...   
   >>>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>> nearly 30 YEARS ago.   
   >>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>> I want to believe you, but it would really almost be worse, to be   
   >>>>>>> such a fan that you do this backbreaking work for them without   
   >>>>>>> being compensated.  When I first came to the advocacy newsgroups,   
   >>>>>>> I was promoting Windows 7, for example, I have my past as a Linux   
   >>>>>>> skeptic, but I also promoted what was then called OpenOffice, I   
   >>>>>>> was critical of MS in ways that showed insight and willingness to   
   >>>>>>> acknowledge its flaws.   
   >>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>> You don't seem to have anything negative to say about Apple.   
   >>>>>>   
   >>>>>> I have lots of negative things to say.   
   >>>>>>   
   >>>>>> You're just not paying attention.   
   >>>>>   
   >>>>> That's obviously a lie, you won't admit the SSD overcharging issue,   
   >>>>   
   >>>> WHAT "overcharging issue" would that be: the alleged 13V "spike"...   
   >>>>   
   >>>> ...which applies whether or not your SSD is soldered or socketed?   
   >>>   
   >>> Cost, not electricity, as the rest of my sentence you split said.   
   >>>   
   >>>>> something that is transparently price gouging, no matter how much   
   >>>>> it's talked about you stick to your guns, because you literally are   
   >>>>> an Apple employee, paid to post here.   
   >>>>   
   >>>> No. I am not.   
   >>>   
   >>> OK.   
   >>   
   >> Charging what people are willing to pay is NOT "overcharging"...   
   >>   
   >> ...UNLESS THEY HAVE NO OPTION BUT TO PAY.   
   >>   
   >> Since Apple isn't the only maker of personal computers, people are   
   >> willingly choosing to buy what Apple offers...   
   >>   
   >> ...precisely because it isn't about the components.   
   >>   
   >> It is about buying a whole system that they find works well for them.   
   >   
   >   
   > That's provably false.  The cost of upgrading the SSD/etc. makes the   
   > "whole system's" price outrageous.  256 GB even being offered is part of   
   > the scheme - it's fair to say it's enough for some people, sure, but a   
   > lot of people are gonna say "well, I can't get by with that, but I must   
   > have a Mac, so I'll just bite the bullet and pay $200 extra".  That's   
   > the *definition* of price gouging.   
      
   If it's "provably false"...you really should have said something that   
   proves it.   
      
   "Outrageous" is an adjective and proves nothing.   
      
   >>>>>>>>>>>>> If all their revenue for the Mac line is hardware sales, it's   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>> weird how they don't focus more on having competitive   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>> hardware,   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>> but that's Apple,   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>>>>>> Their hardware sells well.   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>>>>>> Mac sales figures continue to trend upward, so you proceed   
   >>>>>>>>>>>> from a false premise.   
   >>>>>>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>>>>> Shitty OEM PCs sell well, too.   
   >>>>>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>>>> OK? So?   
   >>>>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>>> How do you not see the point, we know Apple sells a lot, the   
   >>>>>>>>> question is whether this really makes sense if consumers knew   
   >>>>>>>>> what they were actually paying for.   
   >>>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>> And once again, you assume that only you are smart enough to   
   >>>>>>>> figure out this kind of thing.   
   >>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>> I don't assume any such thing, actually.   
   >>>>>>   
   >>>>>> That is LITERALLY what you assumed.   
   >>>>>>   
   >>>>>> "If consumers knew" assumes that they do NOT.   
   >>>>>   
   >>>>> So that means I think *I* am the only one who sees through this?   
   >>>>> 'Cause I am not.  Lots of people hate Apple for very similar   
   >>>>> reasons to mine.   
   >>>>   
   >>>> "Hate"? Dude... ...HATING a company because they sell their products   
   >>>> at prices people are willing to pay is messed up.   
   >>>>   
   >>>> You should seek out a mental health professional.   
   >>>   
   >>> No.  Because I see right through what Apple is doing.  You are a nice   
   >>> guy, more or less, but you are a privileged, (presumably) white   
   >>> person with the means to afford Apple's stuff.  As such, you are a   
   >>> cash cow to them.  A willing victim of their price gouging.  Your   
   >>> money to spend, sure, you may think it's worth it, I don't dispute   
   >>> that, but it's still completely ridiculous that half of a 512 GB SSD   
   >>> is $200.   
   >>   
   >> And out come the personal insults...   
   >   
   >   
   > Maybe, but you didn't refute the point.   
      
   Because there were no points of substance to refute.   
      
   >   
   >   
   >>>>>>> It might come relatively easily to me, but common sense should   
   >>>>>>> tell a potential customer visiting Apple's site that their Mac   
   >>>>>>> line is overpriced.  And comparing it to PCs they will definitely   
   >>>>>>> find products that offer betters specs at comparable quality.   
   >>>>>>> This is why Mac users are a cult, they stand out as being   
   >>>>>>> exceedingly loyal to a company that gouges them.   
   >>>>>>   
   >>>>>> But you ASSUME that the only things that matter are the hardware   
   >>>>>> specs.   
   >>>>>>   
   >>>>>> They are NOT the only things that matter.   
   >>>>>   
   >>>>> They matter in price.  What is Apple giving you otherwise, their   
   >>>>> crap software?   
   >>>>   
   >>>> You saying it's "crap" doesn't make it so?   
   >>>   
   >>> It is crap, by any objective standard.  Right-brained people like it,   
   >>> though, and I don't begrudge that.   
   >>   
   >> If that were true, you could explain how.   
   >>   
   >> You never have.   
   >   
   >   
   > The way the interface functions is quirky, like right-brained people's   
   > minds.   
      
   And you switch from one adjective to another...   
      
   ...while not actually offering anything of any substance.   
      
   >   
   >   
   >>>>> AppleCare if you pay extra?  Nonstandard interface ports that they   
   >>>>> claim are better 'cause they say so?  What a joke.  What a total   
   >>>>> cult.  And you're the ringleader.   
   >>>>   
   >>>> What "non-standard" ports has Apple ever used, since ADB (Apple   
   >>>> Desktop Bus)?   
   >>>   
   >>> You know, I actually have to concede something here.  The EU forced   
   >>> them to make iPhone jacks USB-C, which was a downgrade to make them   
   >>> compatible with other manufacturers' chargers.  So, in that respect,   
   >>> I actually think Apple was superior, albeit for the function of   
   >>> charging the device, not using it.   
   >>   
   >> Apple introduced most of the ports that advanced the personal computer   
   >> standard.   
   >>   
   >> When IBM-style PCs had only parallel ports, Apple introduced Macs with   
   >> SCSI that allowed up to 7 devices to be attached to one port.   
   >>   
   >> When the IBM-style PC was using ISA slots, Apple introduced Macs that   
   >> used a far superior open standard called NuBus.   
   >>   
      
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