XPost: comp.sys.mac.advocacy   
   From: nuh-uh@nope.com   
      
   On 2026-02-09 19:37, Gremlin wrote:   
   > Alan  news:10lk4ep$2lvee$4@dont-email.me Sat, 31 Jan 2026   
   > 05:37:29 GMT in comp.os.linux.advocacy, wrote:   
   >   
   >> On 2026-01-29 20:15, Alan wrote:   
   >>> On 2026-01-29 19:14, Gremlin wrote:   
   >>>>   
   >>>> The NANDs Apple is using aren't standard. They are a proprietary   
   >>>> design. Those   
   >>>> video links I shared previously go into greater detail concerning that   
   >>>> as well   
   >>>> as the issues they tend to develop which renders the computer a   
   >>>> paperweight.   
   >>>> It's a problem which has not been fixed.   
   >>> ...and you're quite wrong.   
   >>>   
   >>> Apple uses standard NAND chips sourced from various suppliers.   
   >>>   
   >>> They do you proprietary CONTROLLER chip designs.   
   >>>   
   >>> Oops for you, huh?   
   >>   
   >> Convenient when you chose to stop replying to me...   
   >>   
   >> ...isn't it?   
   >>   
   >> :-)   
   >   
   >   
      
      
   >   
   > For a PC it's almost always no big deal. Replace drive, go on about your   
   > day. If the drive is soldered and you have a shorted NAND, remove the   
   > NANDS and replace with new if you want; there's no specialized firmware or   
   > mating process that has occured making the new chips unable to function on   
   > the board. Unlike with Apple. You can't just do that. They don't like   
   > keeping things standard/normal. Even if it was originally before they got   
   > their hands on it. Pesky semantics. You probably thought you had something   
   > there; as you thought you did when you googled 'can I use an external   
   > drive to boot my mac' (sure, but, on a modern mac, the internal SSD has to   
   > be functional) - that's one hell of a special design decision. That you're   
   > required to have a working internal drive in order to boot from an   
   > external drive.   
      
   "standard/normal" is changing all the time.   
      
   It was once "standard" for every personal computer to have a floppy drive.   
      
   You've conflated the fact that SSDs have a finite number of times they   
   can be written to (a number times that takes them far beyond the   
   reasonable lifespan that most people will get from a laptop, BTW) with   
   the "failure" of the SSD in a way that will prevent an Apple Silicon Mac   
   from accessing the boot information.   
      
   You jumped pretty much straight from TBW to complete failure of NAND chip.   
      
   >   
   > I've stated this several times, I've supported my statements. Your efforts   
   > to ignore them and place conditions on how you will review the evidence or   
   > that you don't appreciate the formats provided and demand they be provided   
   > in another or it didn't happen in the first place - really doesn't matter.   
   > At this point, We're just going in circles here. There's no point or   
   > advantage for either of us to do this. It makes about as much sense as -hh   
   > did when he brought up capacitors being soldered onto the mainboards of   
   > PCs and Mac. Of course they are - and a lot more electronics. They have   
   > several possible uses. Quite common components actually. Nothing to do   
   > with the subject I was writing about though. I give them a rocking A for   
   > effort concerning the troll by doing that though. It was very creative!   
   > And not in the least bit sarcastic or made to be insulting. I respect that.   
   > It was good.   
      
   The point is that there are many components on a typical computer   
   motherboard that cannot be cost-effectively repaired should they fail.   
   The fact that Apple has chosen to make the SSD another soldered   
   component hardly changes the failure landscape at all...   
      
   ...because chip level failures are extremely rare!   
      
   So you've constructed a straw man.   
      
   >   
   > I work on PCs as well, mostly PCs. I've never stated that they were   
   > perfect. I've replaced blown components on them too. I've changed the   
   > display panels, touchpads, keyboards, power jacks. Soldered SSD drive on   
   > some real cheap bastards, as well as the socket style where changing was   
   > easy. I'm not sold on the method a lot of them use to actually hold the   
   > SSD in place though. I think it's a dumb thing to do. Replaced blown   
   > diodes, Mosfets, resistors, etc. The important thing and only reason I   
   > even mentioned them is that those components fail on anything and are not   
   > that difficult or expensive in many cases to replace. Most importantly,   
   > the PCs which had these issues, didn't require many components to be   
   > replaced and were all put back in service- they didn't blow up anything   
   > MATED or that would otherwise totally screw you. FFS, you could replace   
   > the damn CPU if you needed to do so. Lack of proprietary is a good thing.   
   Soldering is NOT proprietary, and you've yet to show that any   
   significant number of SSD drives on Apple Silicon Macs fail.   
      
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