XPost: alt.comp.os.windows-11   
   From: daniel47@nomail.afraid.org   
      
   On 22/12/2025 7:24 am, c186282 wrote:   
   > On 12/20/25 07:15, Carlos E.R. wrote:   
   >> On 2025-12-20 05:48, rbowman wrote:   
   >>> On Fri, 19 Dec 2025 22:28:38 +0100, Carlos E.R. wrote:   
   >>>> On 2025-12-19 03:01, rbowman wrote:   
   >>>>> On Thu, 18 Dec 2025 22:46:15 +0100, Carlos E.R. wrote:   
   >>>>>   
   >>>>>   
   >>>>>> I have not heard of root fire in my country. Peat fire going on for   
   >>>>>> many months, yes. Rekindling a forest fire, yes. Crews remain around   
   >>>>>> for some time after the fire is put out.   
   >>>>>   
   >>>>> https://thebulletin.org/2021/03/underground-zombie-peat-fires-   
   >>> release-100-   
   >>>>> times-the-carbon-of-wildfires/   
   >>>>>   
   >>>>> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Centralia_mine_fire   
   >>>>   
   >>>> Let me see if I understood. The city set fire to a garbage dump filling   
   >>>> the huge hole of an old open air mine, and the fire propagated to the   
   >>>> mine, which happened to be a coal mine?   
   >>>   
   >>> That's it in a nutshell. They thought they were dealing with a strip   
   >>> mine   
   >>> or basically a big hole in the ground that was filled with garbage and   
   >>> burning it was a good idea. They didn't realize the garbage was covering   
   >>> the entrance to a labyrinth of underground coal mines.   
   >>>   
   >>   
   >> Garbage should be burnt (if burnt at all) in a high temperature oven   
   >> with filters for toxic fumes.   
   >   
   >   
   >    Massive energy expended doing that. You'd need natural   
   >    gas, likely burnt under pressure to make it even hotter.   
   >    Then ... HOW many "filters" or how many kinds do you go   
   >    through in a week, maybe a day ?   
   >   
   >    So, instead, they just bury it.   
   >   
   >   
   >>> Setting fire to garbage was illegal in the first place so they messed   
   >>> around trying to cover their tracks and kept getting deeper and   
   >>> deeper in   
   >>> shit. The miners followed coal veins so it was a real labyrinth.   
   >>>   
   >>> https://storyofbutte.org/files/show/5725   
   >>>   
   >>> Butte was copper mines but the whole town is sort of sitting on an ant   
   >>> hill. There is a museum there that has so 3D models that were   
   >>> prepared for   
   >>> lawsuits that are really impressive. The suits occurred when Company A   
   >>> following a vein broke through into Company B's tunnels. I have no idea   
   >>> how they even knew where they were.   
   >>>   
   >>> Butte has the opposite problem to a mine fire. When they switched to an   
   >>> open pit and turned off the pumps in the underground mine tunnels the   
   >>> whole mess filled with highly toxic water.   
   >>   
   >> So they can not drain that toxic water. :-(   
   >>   
   >>>   
   >>> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Berkeley_Pit   
   >   
   >    Yep, they delayed The Problem. Likely will NEVER have   
   >    the money to actually deal with it.   
   >   
   >   
   >> “A protozoan species, Euglena mutabilis, was found to reside in the   
   >> pit by Andrea A. Stierle and Donald B. Stierle, and the protozoans   
   >> have been found to have adapted to the harsh conditions of the water.   
   >> Intense competition for the limited resources caused these species to   
   >> evolve the production of highly toxic compounds to improve   
   >> survivability. Natural products such as berkeleydione,   
   >> berkeleytrione,[18] and berkelic acid[19] have been isolated from   
   >> these organisms which show selective activity against cancer cell   
   >> lines. Some of these species ingest metals and are being investigated   
   >> as an alternative means of cleaning the water.[20]”   
   >>   
   >> Wow, they even gave names to peculiar compounds in there.   
   >   
   >    There are orgs that can live in almost any environment.   
   >    However just because they can 'eat' compounds does not   
   >    mean the ultimate products, or poop, aren't still toxic   
   >    as all hell to humans.   
   >   
   >    We LIKE to think of 'chemical contamination' as LOCAL   
   >    issues. However that stuff DOES travel and winds up   
   >    everywhere. Not necessarily so much in a year ... but   
   >    20, 50, 100+ years ? "Chemical industries" started in   
   >    the early 1800s by and large.   
   >   
   >    It's on the land, it's in the sea, it's in the air.   
   >    More and more every year. Some VERY creative catalytic   
   >    compounds and engineered biologicals are going to be   
   >    required to render that stuff 'safe' - and it'll take   
   >    another century or two. What does it do to us and lots   
   >    of other life in the meanwhile ?   
   >   
   >    Oh well, the space aliens will surely beam it all   
   >    away for us ... right ?   
   >   
   Funny you should conclude like that. I've wondered why 'they' don't just   
   load all this stuff into rockets and send it on its merry way into The Sun.   
      
   Sure, rocket launches do, occasionally, stuff up but then nothings   
   perfect!! i.e. Chernobyl disaster!!   
   --   
   Daniel70   
      
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