From: commodorejohn@gmail.com   
      
   On Mon, 22 Dec 2025 23:45:56 -0000 (UTC)   
   Lawrence D’Oliveiro  wrote:   
      
   > > Separation of form from content does *not* mean that web designers   
   > > are obligated to use overwrought, kludgy, or abusive design patterns   
   > > that the user then has to direct their browser to ignore. That's an   
   > > absurd thing to say.     
   >    
   > “Beauty lies in the eye of the beholder” would seem to be the most   
   > polite response.   
      
   You can argue that it's a matter of taste if you like. For myself, I am   
   entirely comfortable saying that overwrought, kludgy, and (especially)   
   abusive patterns are *objectively bad web design,* in the same way that   
   the people in charge of Grenfell Tower were engaging in objectively bad   
   architectural renovations (thankfully, fewer people die as a result of   
   bad web design, most years,) and that web designers who employ them are   
   bad and should stop.   
      
   --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05   
    * Origin: you cannot sedate... all the things you hate (1:229/2)