From: bowman@montana.com   
      
   On Fri, 26 Dec 2025 18:12:00 GMT, Charlie Gibbs wrote:   
      
   > On 2025-12-26, Nuno Silva wrote:   
   >   
   >> On 2025-12-25, Lawrence D’Oliveiro wrote:   
   >>   
   >>> On Thu, 25 Dec 2025 21:05:10 GMT, Charlie Gibbs wrote:   
   >>>   
   >>>> BTW my first programming job, in 1970, was on a machine with 16K of   
   >>>> memory and nothing but cards (disks and tapes came along later).   
   >>>> Yet somehow we managed to run accounts receivables, payrolls, and   
   >>>> general ledgers for offices all over town.   
   >>>   
   >>> Hardware was expensive back then, and programmers were cheap.   
   >>   
   >> That's not an excuse to stop worrying about performance.   
   >>   
   >> Hardware is still expensive nowadays, it's just that it became a tad   
   >> bit easier to get computing machinery, but it's still something   
   >> expensive that a lot of people on the universe don't have a wallet to   
   >> afford. Others do, but that also doesn't mean they can't criticize lack   
   >> of performance.   
   >>   
   >> Take for example the amazing insistence seen in using 3D effects and   
   >> animations in some UI design. That is at the very least annoying with   
   >> hardware where it runs flawlessly, and easily becomes very degrading   
   >> performance-wise once you walk past that threshold of the few   
   >> combinations where it works well.   
   >>   
   >>   
   >> Discarding the worry because "hardware was expensive back then" is like   
   >> only quoting a small part of that Knuth remark on optimization to   
   >> possibly convey the opposite point (the whole quote is in support of   
   >> optimization, and IIRC merely a criticism of unguided optimization   
   >> efforts (hence the "*premature*".))   
   >   
   > In three words: Abundance justifies waste.   
      
   One of the turn-offs of Java for me is when they rolled out Swing rather   
   than the original AWT. When you mentioned your Swing project was slower   
   than a ruptured sloth the answer was 'get a machine with more RAM and a   
   faster processor.' I haven't tried it lately but Java based IDEs like   
   Eclipse were pigs.   
      
   --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05   
    * Origin: you cannot sedate... all the things you hate (1:229/2)   
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