From: tnp@invalid.invalid   
      
   On 27/12/2025 09:46, Richard Kettlewell wrote:   
   > rbowman  writes:   
   >> Computer Nerd Kev wrote:   
   >>> That's fine, you want to write an application in a web browser, you can   
   >>> do that. I won't use it because I think it's a wasteful and fragile   
   >>> approach, but I'll find/write a native program instead.   
   >>   
   >> Real world scenario: The legacy system consisted of several Motif based   
   >> GUIs, plus many backend daemons. For updates or bug fixes the GUIs have to   
   >> be copied to several workstations in the dispatch center.   
   >>   
   >> It doesn't end there. In today's world every police car, fire engine, and   
   >> ambulance has a laptop running applications. For bug fixes or updates with   
   >> native programs you have to cycle each of those laptops through the shop,   
   >> potentially a couple of hundred updates.   
   >>   
   >> Enter the web app. It runs in the browser, and is distributed from a   
   >> central server. Update or make a bug fix on the server, all the client   
   >> apps are automatically updated.   
   >>   
   >> Which is more resource intensive, has the most downtime, and has the   
   >> potential for outdated native programs?   
   >   
   > I don’t really disagree with the thrust of the argument, but: if you   
   > have to return to base for upgrades, that’s a fact about the specific   
   > applications and/or operating system. Remote and automatic upgrades have   
   > widely used for decades now.   
   >   
   I see it more as the death of proprietary applications clients in favour   
   of fairly standard browsers.   
      
   The emergency services no longer rely on e.g. VHF radio but use   
   smartphones instead.   
      
   Aircraft no longer carry navigators, but use GPS instead etc etc. And   
   many crashes could have been  avoided if we had had such back in the   
   1970s...   
      
   We all admit JavaScript is utter shit on a par with PHP, but the fact is   
   its there and it can be coaxed into life.   
      
   If needed.   
      
   Commercial websites are there to sell product. As such pretty pictures   
   are more important than functionality.   
      
   Respond by using more functional websites to buy product.   
      
      
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   intellectuals to believe it, but the power that it confers on   
   intellectuals, in their attempts to control the world. And since...it is   
   futile to reason someone out of a thing that he was not reasoned into,   
   we can conclude that Marxism owes its remarkable power to survive every   
   criticism to the fact that it is not a truth-directed but a   
   power-directed system of thought.”   
   Sir Roger Scruton   
      
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