XPost: alt.folklore.computers   
   From: robin_listas@es.invalid   
      
   On 2025-12-24 11:33, c186282 wrote:   
   > On 12/23/25 18:55, rbowman wrote:   
   >> On Tue, 23 Dec 2025 14:21:44 -0800, Bobbie Sellers wrote:   
   >>   
   >>>     Maybe they find the visual arts better for self-expression. The   
   >> Beats   
   >>>     were WW II veterans but I don't know much about the   
   >>> "Angry Young Men".   
   >>   
   >> John Osborne was one of the better known. His play, 'Look Back in Anger',   
   >> became a movie with Richard Burton. It was post-WWII Britain with young   
   >> people realizing the empire was gone and the future wasn't too rosy.   
   >> Burgess isn't grouped with them but 'Clockwork Orange' captures the   
   >> feeling. Much later there was the Sex Pistols 'God Save the Queen'. No   
   >> future for you.   
   >>   
   >> Even the hippie generation or whatever you want to call what followed the   
   >> Beats wasn't very literary.   
   >   
   >    Hmm ... how long since 'writers' actually WROTE - ink   
   >    on paper ? Quill pens ?   
   >   
   >    Since the 1930s they 'wrote' mostly on typewriters.   
   >    The 'feel' isn't the same, dealing with the machine   
   >    surely affected what they composed, added its own   
   >    bit of 'businesslike feel' to the process.   
      
   Depends... some hired a person to type their manuscripts. No idea of the   
   percent that did this. I just recently read a crime novel in which this   
   happened, so probably the author employed them, too (The Secret House Of   
   Death By Ruth Rendell).   
      
   >   
   >    Then word-processors ... easy to add, delete, copy,   
   >    paste and fix typos in an instant. No more tappety-tap   
   >    sort of machine "feel", something different.   
   >   
   >    From now on, everything Gen-A2+ "writes" will be   
   >    what they tell an "AI" to compose FOR them. Most   
   >    won't even know how to spell half the words, may   
   >    not even KNOW half the words. It's more "Old   
   >    storyteller, tell us a story about werewolves"   
   >    and they can get back to being depressed and   
   >    shooting Fentanyl while the "AI" does it.   
   >   
   >    Writing traditional Chinese or Japanese script with   
   >    brush on paper ... it fuses 'art' into the actual   
   >    written meaning for the author, more and different   
   >    brain pathways than seen using a Corona or Word.   
   >   
   >    A few years ago I saw a 'travel show' that involved   
   >    some westerners visiting China. There was a sort of   
   >    street vendor who made banners and such in traditional   
   >    characters. He challenged the tourist to paint just   
   >    one character ... and judged they got it all WRONG   
   >    even though to the western eye the results were   
   >    almost identical to the natives. Thing is, they   
   >    did not perform the correct 'swish' and 'swash' and   
   >    'blob' and such - and it showed, changed the fine   
   >    meaning of the character, the attached emotional   
   >    content at the very least.   
   >   
   >    It has long been thought that language unto itself   
   >    can affect, channel, limit, what the speaker CAN   
   >    frame as 'reality'. Might be more or less true.   
   >    But 'writing' - the nuances - may also affect   
   >    the kind of output in many subtle ways.   
   >   
      
   Mmm.   
      
   --   
   Cheers, Carlos.   
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