XPost: alt.folklore.computers   
   From: robin_listas@es.invalid   
      
   On 2025-12-29 03:06, c186282 wrote:   
   > On 12/28/25 16:22, Carlos E.R. wrote:   
   >> On 2025-12-24 11:33, c186282 wrote:   
   >>> On 12/23/25 18:55, rbowman wrote:   
   >>>> On Tue, 23 Dec 2025 14:21:44 -0800, Bobbie Sellers wrote:   
   >>>>   
   >>>>>     Maybe they find the visual arts better for self-expression. The   
   >>>> Beats   
   >>>>>     were WW II veterans but I don't know much about the   
   >>>>> "Angry Young Men".   
   >>>>   
   >>>> John Osborne was one of the better known. His play, 'Look Back in   
   >>>> Anger',   
   >>>> became a movie with Richard Burton. It was post-WWII Britain with young   
   >>>> people realizing the empire was gone and the future wasn't too rosy.   
   >>>> Burgess isn't grouped with them but 'Clockwork Orange' captures the   
   >>>> feeling. Much later there was the Sex Pistols 'God Save the Queen'. No   
   >>>> future for you.   
   >>>>   
   >>>> Even the hippie generation or whatever you want to call what   
   >>>> followed the   
   >>>> Beats wasn't very literary.   
   >>>   
   >>>    Hmm ... how long since 'writers' actually WROTE - ink   
   >>>    on paper ? Quill pens ?   
   >>>   
   >>>    Since the 1930s they 'wrote' mostly on typewriters.   
   >>>    The 'feel' isn't the same, dealing with the machine   
   >>>    surely affected what they composed, added its own   
   >>>    bit of 'businesslike feel' to the process.   
   >>   
   >> Depends... some hired a person to type their manuscripts. No idea of   
   >> the percent that did this. I just recently read a crime novel in which   
   >> this happened, so probably the author employed them, too (The Secret   
   >> House Of Death By Ruth Rendell).   
   >   
   >   
   >    But did Ruth write the original with pen-on-paper, or   
   >    with a machine ?   
      
   Don't know. I only know that she was familiar with the jobs of people   
   hired by writers to do the typing. That book is from 1968 though.   
      
   Who would know such a question? An AI? ChatGPT doesn't.   
      
      
      
   >>>    Then word-processors ... easy to add, delete, copy,   
   >>>    paste and fix typos in an instant. No more tappety-tap   
   >>>    sort of machine "feel", something different.   
   >>>   
   >>>    From now on, everything Gen-A2+ "writes" will be   
   >>>    what they tell an "AI" to compose FOR them. Most   
   >>>    won't even know how to spell half the words, may   
   >>>    not even KNOW half the words. It's more "Old   
   >>>    storyteller, tell us a story about werewolves"   
   >>>    and they can get back to being depressed and   
   >>>    shooting Fentanyl while the "AI" does it.   
   >>>   
   >>>    Writing traditional Chinese or Japanese script with   
   >>>    brush on paper ... it fuses 'art' into the actual   
   >>>    written meaning for the author, more and different   
   >>>    brain pathways than seen using a Corona or Word.   
   >>>   
   >>>    A few years ago I saw a 'travel show' that involved   
   >>>    some westerners visiting China. There was a sort of   
   >>>    street vendor who made banners and such in traditional   
   >>>    characters. He challenged the tourist to paint just   
   >>>    one character ... and judged they got it all WRONG   
   >>>    even though to the western eye the results were   
   >>>    almost identical to the natives. Thing is, they   
   >>>    did not perform the correct 'swish' and 'swash' and   
   >>>    'blob' and such - and it showed, changed the fine   
   >>>    meaning of the character, the attached emotional   
   >>>    content at the very least.   
   >>>   
   >>>    It has long been thought that language unto itself   
   >>>    can affect, channel, limit, what the speaker CAN   
   >>>    frame as 'reality'. Might be more or less true.   
   >>>    But 'writing' - the nuances - may also affect   
   >>>    the kind of output in many subtle ways.   
   >>>   
   >>   
   >> Mmm.   
   >   
   >   
   >    I'd rec a Harvard Study - except I don't trust Harvard   
   >    to offer good advice on how to take a shit these days ...   
   >   
   >    I do note that 'artful prose' largely ceased to exist   
   >    once pen on paper was abandoned. Larger cultural shift   
   >    maybe, or maybe it was the preferred writing method,   
   >    one that took some of the 'art' out of writing ?   
   >   
   >    Would the Declaration Of Independence have been as   
   >    good if typed-up in Courier-12 ?   
      
   I wonder what effect has handwriting vs typing has on the fiction writers.   
      
   --   
   Cheers, Carlos.   
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