From: rich@example.invalid   
      
   John Ames  wrote:   
   > On Tue, 23 Dec 2025 20:38:19 -0000 (UTC)   
   > Lawrence D’Oliveiro  wrote:   
   >   
   >> > For myself, I am entirely comfortable saying that overwrought,   
   >> > kludgy, and (especially) abusive patterns are *objectively bad web   
   >> > design,* in the same way that the people in charge of Grenfell Tower   
   >> > were engaging in objectively bad architectural renovations ...   
   >>   
   >> Boy, what a way to escalate a strawman, conflating a matter of mere   
   >> aesthetics and personal annoyance with a situation that was actually   
   >> life-threatening on a massive scale.   
   >   
   > *A.* that's not what a straw-man argument is (that'd be if the behavior   
   > in question were not actually evidenced in real life - but I cited very   
   > real patterns and gave a specific IRL example, and can absolutely offer   
   > more,) and *B.* while I freely admit to using a hyperbolic comparison   
   > to make a point, the point is one I stand by:   
      
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