From: robin_listas@es.invalid   
      
   On 2025-12-29 22:30, Computer Nerd Kev wrote:   
   > c186282  wrote:   
   >> On 12/29/25 03:14, Computer Nerd Kev wrote:   
   >>> Nuno Silva  wrote:   
   >>>> Ah, still just that one, I'd hope a couple more projects would come   
   >>>> up.   
   >>>   
   >>> I'd hope more wouldn't come up, since it'd only cause compatibility   
   >>> issues, but here's another new one, which sounds like it's not   
   >>> for me:   
   >>>   
   >>> https://git.dec05eba.com/phoenix/about/   
   >>   
   >>    Bear in mind ... do we WANT a bunch of X11, or even   
   >>    Wayland, forks ???   
   >>   
   >>    Sometimes a somewhat poor standard is better than   
   >>    20 random 'standards' with different rules/details   
   >>    and their OWN problems.   
   >>   
   >>    Just sayin'   
   >   
   > Yep, that's what I'm saying too. That project gives a mixed message   
   > about their intentions for compatibility. They say "Replacing the   
   > Xorg server" is a "non-goal", yet they say they're open to   
   > extending the X11 protocol. Which means they'll need their own xlib   
   > library for GUI programs/toolkits to link against, and those   
   > programs/toolkits might at some point no longer build with the Xorg   
   > xlib as well, or even if they do, some distro packages might only   
   > be built for the Pheonix xlib.   
   >   
   > I'd prefer if protocol changes were left off the table at this   
   > point, X11 already has extensions to tick all the major boxes such   
   > as handling OpenGL and video. Wayland is already reinventing the   
   > wheel if that's what you want.   
      
   My sore point with Wayland is that it doesn't seem to work if the   
   machine doesn't have 3D.   
      
   >   
   > On the up side, the site did point out this Wayland -> X11 "bridge"   
   > project, which is promising for if/when programs like Firefox drop   
   > X11 support:   
   >   
   > https://git.linuxping.win/12to11/12to11   
   >   
      
      
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