XPost: alt.folklore.computers   
   From: tnp@invalid.invalid   
      
   On 31/12/2025 04:42, c186282 wrote:   
   > According to Penrose, you need a quantum system - with   
   >    its random mistakes - to emulate a brain. Kind of doubt   
   >    that, but now we ARE seeing quantum computing so I   
   >    guess we'll see.   
      
   Don't get me going about Penrose.   
      
   Back in the day we used to plat the game 'think of a number'   
      
   Then get the recipient to perform various mathematical operations on it,   
   into which at a discrete point was slipped the instruction 'now take   
   away the number you first thought of' followed by more spurious BS until   
   you could tell them what the answer was you had arrived at ...'but how   
   did you know what number I first thought of'. I didn't. the point was to   
   cloak a simple trick in pages of tough mental arithmetic...so people   
   concentrated on that, and missed the trick.   
      
   Penrose is a great mathematician, but his metaphysics sucks. He has   
   never  been able to escape from the classical worldview, even though his   
   research shows him that it is insufficient.   
      
   "I cant explain consciousness in terms of classical reality, ergo it is   
   quantum"   
      
   A whole fucking book...   
      
      
   I *can* explain classical reality in terms of consciousness. *And* the   
   quantum field. But not when consciousness is an emergent  property of   
   said quantum field. You end up with recursion and paradox.   
      
   The only schema that works is to place consciousness in an orthogonal   
   dimension to both quantum reality AND the 'classical' reality.   
      
   The picture on the screen is a function of the hardware and that data   
   AND the software, that is running.   
      
   Is the software a different thing to the hardware?   
      
   Semantics.   
      
   --   
   “Puritanism: The haunting fear that someone, somewhere, may be happy.”   
      
   H.L. Mencken, A Mencken Chrestomathy   
      
   --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05   
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