XPost: alt.folklore.computers   
   From: tnp@invalid.invalid   
      
   On 02/01/2026 06:15, c186282 wrote:   
   > I see what you're aiming at - and it's largely true.   
   >   
   >    There's long been the trend to trying to separate   
   >    'the material' from some kind of higher/essential/   
   >    'spiritual' take on things. Probably because life   
   >    was so long (STILL in lots of places) so SHITTY.   
   >   
   We don't need to try. Its already implicit in the 'realist' model of the   
   world. That 'the world' exists outside the consciousness of the   
   'detached observer' and is not contingent upon his/her observations.   
      
   You cannot be objective about 'the world' without introducing some sort   
   of 'spiritual dimension'. There is me, and not-me. and the irreducible   
   notion on me-ness is the conscious mind.   
      
   Rational materialism of Western Science  IS ultimately *religion*. Its   
   based on an unwarranted assumption about the nature of ourselves, and   
   the world, that we adhere to ultimately  because, as Richard Dawkins   
   said 'It works, bitches'.   
      
   Dealing with inanimate stuff at human scale it works fairly well   
      
   Not so much with animate or conscious stuff, or at micro scales.   
      
      
      
   >    But IMHO it's a delusion, emotional cherry pie.   
   >   
   What isn't?   
      
   You can call Christianity 'mere child psychology' if you like. And many   
   have.   
      
   You can say 'all is an illusion, a simulation'   
      
   The truth content is irrelevant, The whole point of metaphysics and   
   (Western) religion is to pose the question 'but where does that get you??   
      
   Since the actual truth is unknowable.   
   Would you rather be wrong and happy, or right and miserable?   
      
      
   >    All are one and one is all ... a great Gordian knot.   
      
   Well that's as useless as saying it's God  Swill.   
      
   The fundamental basis of our conscious world is a decision to say "Me   
   here. It there" and produce a worldview based on the split between   
   'self' and 'other'.   
      
   The problem is, who or what makes that choice?   
      
   And possibly, why?....   
      
   --   
   "It is an established fact to 97% confidence limits that left wing   
   conspirators see right wing conspiracies everywhere"   
      
   --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05   
    * Origin: you cannot sedate... all the things you hate (1:229/2)