XPost: alt.folklore.computers   
   From: Peter@Iron-Spring.com   
      
   On 1/5/26 12:50, John Ames wrote:   
   > On Mon, 5 Jan 2026 12:33:53 -0700   
   > Peter Flass  wrote:   
   >   
   >> Actually, many systems programming languages have no I/O, the idea   
   >> being that non-OS programs call the OS to do the I/O, and the OS   
   >> interacts directly with the hardware.   
   >   
   > "Systems programming" usually implies implementation of an OS, though,   
   > and IIRC that was the sense that Kernighan was using. You can't excuse   
   > limitations by "oh, the OS handles that" when your program *is* the OS.*   
   >   
   > * (Obviously, there's a certain point in any HLL where Deep Magic has   
   >    to handle interfacing between language constructs and bare metal, but   
   >    the higher up the "threshold of minimum abstraction" is, the less   
   >    suitable it is for systems programming in the first place.   
   >   
   >    Of course, there's also the problem where seemingly *any* language   
   >    that's not designed for systems programming will ultimately get   
   >    pressed into service for systems programming  *somewhere...*)   
   >   
      
   I seem to recall reading that someone once wrote an OS in COBOL.   
      
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