From: ldo@nz.invalid   
      
   On 18 Jan 2026 21:15:12 GMT, Stéphane CARPENTIER wrote:   
      
   > Le 18-01-2026, Lawrence D’Oliveiro  a écrit :   
   >>   
   >> On Sun, 18 Jan 2026 11:13:44 +0100, Marc Haber wrote:   
   >>   
   >>> "Carlos E.R."  wrote:   
   >>>>   
   >>>> You forget that it is THEIR router, not mine. I can not just get   
   >>>> a router.   
   >>>   
   >>> Ouch. Please forgive my European-Centric View, where residential   
   >>> customers HAVE to get the option to choose their own router.   
   >>   
   >> Carlos is in Spain. 😑   
   >>   
   >> Here in NZ, we have a decently competitive Internet provider   
   >> market, too, like you have in Germany.   
   >   
   > In France we have a decently correct ISP market too. But it means we   
   > can chose our ISP. Mostly the biggest ISP come with their router and   
   > we have to use it. The possibility to choose one's ISP doesn't imply   
   > we can choose our router.   
      
   In NZ, and I presume in Germany, too, the company that manages the   
   physical fibre connection is not an ISP, and is not allowed to become   
   an ISP. It just provides the connection between your house and the ISP’s   
   nearest “POP” (“Point Of Presence”, i.e. router port). That connection   
   uses a standardized protocol, so it will work with regular off-the-shelf   
   consumer routers that I can buy at any of a range of retail stores.   
      
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