From: robin_listas@es.invalid   
      
   On 2026-01-19 09:54, Marc Haber wrote:   
   > Lawrence D´Oliveiro  wrote:   
   >> In NZ, and I presume in Germany, too, the company that manages the   
   >> physical fibre connection is not an ISP, and is not allowed to become   
   >> an ISP.   
   >   
   > No, in Gemany the fiber optic company can be the ISP as well, and in   
   > some situations they are not even required to allow competitors on   
   > their network. That requirement only appears if the line owner's   
   > market share is so high that it is considered dominant.   
      
   In my case, the fibre provider is the ISP. I understand smaller   
   providers can rent fibre.   
      
   The router is not only an internet router: it also converts VoIP to a   
   standard copper pair connection where I connect my house landline.   
      
   And it provides whatever is needed for TV service. Another little box   
   does the decoding and has the HDMI output.   
      
   All that undocumented, so that while it is possible to use your own   
   router, it is not easy.   
      
   >   
   > That's really bad, since especially the smaller fiber companies don't   
   > have much clue about to run a network, to install connections at scale   
   > and to keep a decent service both regarding moving packets and fixing   
   > problems. The one thing that the fiber companies can to well is lying   
   > at the customer, for example sending sales people from door to door   
   > with the news that the residents MUST buy fiber because their DSL will   
   > be turned off and decommissioned "later this year" and that they will   
   > be without Internet if they don't sign up with the fiber company.   
   >   
   > We already had that issue with DSL 20 years ago and didn't learn   
   > anything from that. The DSL companies have learned their ropes, so   
   > there is hope that the fiber companies will, eventually.   
      
   Here they did the same, and they did not lie: copper pair is gone. The   
   copper exchanges are disabled and being disassembled. They have been   
   aggressively telling people to migrate. Many refused, and now indeed   
   have no service. They had to install fibre on the end, or if truly not   
   possible, radio.   
      
      
   They are using GPON or a variant for higher speed   
   (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/GPON).   
      
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   Cheers, Carlos.   
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