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On 2026-01-20 10:46, Marc Haber wrote:
> Lawrence D´Oliveiro wrote:
>> On Mon, 19 Jan 2026 09:54:15 +0100, Marc Haber wrote:
>>> The one thing that the fiber companies can to well is lying at the
>>> customer, for example sending sales people from door to door with
>>> the news that the residents MUST buy fiber because their DSL will be
>>> turned off and decommissioned "later this year" and that they will
>>> be without Internet if they don't sign up with the fiber company.
>>
>> In our case that’s no lie. The copper network is being decommissioned,
>> region by region, and DSL along with it.
>
> Over here it's still a few years until then. I had TWO of those sales
> people stopping by my place in the last six weeks, all claiming that I
> need to sign up with their fiber RIGHT NOW to avoid my Internet from
> being canceled under my feet.
Are they from your ISP?
Here, they did not come. They phoned and simply offered an improvement.
I had TV via encoded pay satellite. They made an offer that was actually
cheaper including TV, land line, internet, and mobile phone. Years
before my neighbours were forced to change.
I could see that the multiplexer box had only three clients in my block.
> My street doesn't even have the fiber-to-the-home laid yet (we have
> the multicore conduit, but neither the building branch lines nor the
> actual fiber in there yet), what they claim to be fiber is exactly the
> same service they're selling right now,
> fiber-to-the-curb-with-last-mile-DSL für one of them, and
> fiber-to-the-neighborhood-with-last-mile-coax for the other.
>
> The fiber-to-the-neighborhood-with-last-mile-coax company is even
> unlikely to get access to the fiber-to-the-home infrastructure once
> it's been built.
>
>> There is this stereotype of the Germans being well-organized; I can’t
>> help feeling that NZ has outdone them in this one instance, of
>> managing the transition to fibre. ?
>
> I have to admit that we used to be well-organized, but especially
> regarding public matters we lost it in the last decade. In the early
> 1980es, political corruption made us settle to running coax-based
> copper cable TV to the buildings instead of doing fiber, and we're
> still suffering from that mistake. The majority of residential
> Internet here is DSL, with VDSL vectoring having re-monopolized the
> market ten years ago, with some neighborhoods having copper coax cable
> providing an alternative for broadband.
>
> We're building fiber like crazy and spending insane amounts of money,
> but it'll be a couple of years until we'll have parity between the
> copper technologies and fiber.
>
> And, frankly speaking, I don't see the necessity of replacing existing
> copper broadband with fiber. For example, I work online, I would be
> lost without Internet at home, but I don't even have the maximum
> bandwith plan that my technology (VDSL vectoring) offers. I would
> change to another plan if it offered more upstream bandwidth, but the
> fiber operators artificially emulate the absurdly asymmetric plans
> from the legacy technologies, so fiber doesn't really have an
> advantage for me (aside from less power demand and a few milliseconds
> of less latency).
Not here. I have 1G in both directions. Up to, that's the key word,
because GPON divides the total bandwidth between the clients.
It doesn't matter if there is no advantage, copper exchanges were
disabled and then removed, and the premises sold or rented.
>
> That being said, I'm going to have the fiber laid in the very second I
> can have it laid, but that's mainly to keep the value of the real
> estate (and I plan to use the digging activities to put a fat power
> cable out there since the next car I buy will surely be electric).
:-)
In my case, the fibre and the power are on the walls.
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Cheers, Carlos.
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