From: robin_listas@es.invalid   
      
   On 2026-01-20 14:37, Marc Haber wrote:   
   > "Carlos E.R."  wrote:   
   >> On 2026-01-20 10:46, Marc Haber wrote:   
   >>> Lawrence D´Oliveiro  wrote:   
   >>>> On Mon, 19 Jan 2026 09:54:15 +0100, Marc Haber wrote:   
   >>>>> The one thing that the fiber companies can to well is lying at the   
   >>>>> customer, for example sending sales people from door to door with   
   >>>>> the news that the residents MUST buy fiber because their DSL will be   
   >>>>> turned off and decommissioned "later this year" and that they will   
   >>>>> be without Internet if they don't sign up with the fiber company.   
   >>>>   
   >>>> In our case that’s no lie. The copper network is being decommissioned,   
   >>>> region by region, and DSL along with it.   
   >>>   
   >>> Over here it's still a few years until then. I had TWO of those sales   
   >>> people stopping by my place in the last six weeks, all claiming that I   
   >>> need to sign up with their fiber RIGHT NOW to avoid my Internet from   
   >>> being canceled under my feet.   
   >>   
   >> Are they from your ISP?   
   >   
   > No. But of course they claim that I am already their customer. I'm   
   > probably the only one in the street who does immediately spot that   
   > lie.   
      
   Ah, ok. Maybe we got phone calls from other companies. On foot, no.   
      
      
   >   
   >> It doesn't matter if there is no advantage, copper exchanges were   
   >> disabled and then removed, and the premises sold or rented.   
   >   
   > That what used to be the copper exchange holding the telephony stuff   
   > is gone already, we have MSANs (Multi Service Access Nodes) on the   
   > curb where the fiber lines terminate and the VDSL vectoring lines   
   > (usually just a couple of hundred meters long) branch out. VDSL   
   > vectoring can do 250/40.   
   >   
   >>> That being said, I'm going to have the fiber laid in the very second I   
   >>> can have it laid, but that's mainly to keep the value of the real   
   >>> estate (and I plan to use the digging activities to put a fat power   
   >>> cable out there since the next car I buy will surely be electric).   
   >>   
   >> :-)   
   >>   
   >> In my case, the fibre and the power are on the walls.   
   >   
   > Everyhing buried here.   
      
   The law says anything new must be buried. But these are old houses, and   
   they are still discussing who is going to dig the street and put the   
   piping. Nobody is willing, so they put the wires in the same place as   
   the old wires. In our walls.   
      
   The thing is that tubes will be shared by all companies, so nobody wants   
   to be the first to put the tubes and get then used by the rest, without   
   paying for it.   
      
   And the council looks away.   
      
      
   --   
   Cheers, Carlos.   
   ES🇪🇸, EU🇪🇺;   
      
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