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   From: nobody@haph.org   
      
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   news:JzCdnUUVx_nl1aT0nZ2dnZfqn_GdnZ2d@giganews.com Wed, 10 Dec 2025   
   10:16:26 GMT in comp.os.linux.advocacy, wrote:   
      
   > On 12/10/25 04:30, Marc Haber wrote:   
   >> Farley Flud  wrote:   
   >>> Because the "tools" are totally unnecessary.   
   >>   
   >> Who are you to tell others what they should be using and what they   
   >> find useful?   
   >>   
   >>> What "tools" can a DE offer that cannot be provided by   
   >>> various CLI or other software?   
   >>   
   >> I use KDE and I like for example that I can click on URLs in text   
   >> windows and then get a popup whether I want to open that one in the   
   >> browser. I like that I have a graphical frontend to choose networks   
   >> and bring up and down my various VPN links. And I like that most of my   
   >> software looks similar to each other and that I have some settings   
   >> that have the same effect on the majority of my programs.   
   >>   
   >>> Answer: None.   
   >>   
   >> That's your opinion. Mark it as such.   
   >>   
   >>> Also, the DE requires an integrated software environment   
   >>> that adds both bloat and insecurity.  To link all the   
   >>> DE applications together requires constantly running   
   >>> "services" and that, IMO, is not a good idea and a complete   
   >>> waste of computing resources.   
   >>   
   >> Thankfully we nowadays have computers that are so vastly powerful that   
   >> it doesn't matter how "fat" our desktops are. The machines we use are   
   >> powerful enough to cater for all that "coporate malware" that is being   
   >> in use to make Windows in the megacorps manageable and reasonably   
   >> secure. Our desktops might be less secure than they were in the   
   >> 1990ies, but we're still vastly more secure than all those Windows   
   >> boxes that are the norm of computer usage.   
   >>   
   >> And, once a current browser is running, the memory footprint of KDE   
   >> compared with "frugal" desktops as lxfe or xfce doesn't matter any   
   >> more anyway.   
   >>   
   >> You are an anonymous person who is still stuck in the 1990ies. That's   
   >> your prerogative but you should not be running around shouting "YOU'RE   
   >> ALL WRONG AND MY WAY IS THE ONLY RIGHT ONE", that's ridiculous.   
   >   
   >    You LIKE KDE ??? May as well just buy Win12 and   
   >    all of Bill's rip-off user-hating universe  :-)   
   >   
   I enjoyed using KDE on Mint 17.3. I've been using XFCE since I distro   
   hopped to MXLinux a few years ago. KDE spoiled me with the eye candy. And   
   Dolphin rocked as a file manager. Thunar is a sad joke by comparison.   
      
   >    Me, gimme LXDE ... JUST enough GUI. Snappy. No BS.   
   >    Kinda like Win2K.   
      
   Maybe it's the hardware we're running? I found KDE to be very snappy on an   
   Intel core two duo (old gear by todays standards). I have no doubt it   
   would be snappy as frak on this rig. It's a monster by comparison. Acer   
   Nitro 5 using an i7.   
      
   >    And yes, that stuff DOES still matter ... and not   
   >    everybody is running an i9 or equiv. Lots stick   
   >    with rPIs and want to get the most from them. My   
   >    own New Laptop is i3 ..... runs cool, long battery   
   >    life, not a fan of high-rez video games, crappy   
   >    net bandwidth.   
      
   I'm not a gamer either, unless you count an occasional DOS game via   
   DOSBOX-X (it's a great port btw if you use the original one) and various   
   Atari 2600 and NES roms. I've got all of the roms for both. I grew up with   
   those consoles and using them, even via emulation brings back some good   
   memories and fun I had playing those old games. I still love to play   
   Asteroids and Missile command. Was never really a pac man person,but, I've   
   got those roms too.   
      
   >    Oh, and my computing perspective is more 1975 ...   
   >    efficiency, tight code, to-the-point. Ever   
   >    programmed a PDP-11 with that newfangled 'C'   
   >    language ? Just don't drop yer stack of   
   >    punch-cards  :-)   
      
   You've got a few years on me. :) I've always believed in writing tight and   
   efficient code whenever possible. I'd often use assembler to achieve those   
   results. Or, ASIC or C mixed with asm or interrupt calls depending on my   
   mood at the time.   
      
   >    The tech may be dead ... but the PERSPECTIVE   
   >    lives on, for good reason.   
      
   Understood.   
      
      
      
   --   
   Liar, lawyer; mirror show me, what's the difference?   
   Kangaroo done hung   
   the guilty with the innocent   
   Liar, lawyer; mirror for ya', what's the   
   difference?   
   Kangaroo be stoned. He's guilty as the government   
      
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