From: OFeem1987@teleworm.us   
      
   rbowman wrote this post by blinking in Morse code:   
      
   > On Fri, 13 Feb 2026 11:30:12 -0800, John Ames wrote:   
   >   
   >> True enough, and it is to some degree a question of taste - but Java   
   >> does, to my mind, strike a particular balance of vices that remind me of   
   >> the main thrust of Kernighan's criticism of Pascal: not only does it   
   >> suffer from misfeatures and frustrations, but it provides no real way to   
   >> work around them from within itself.   
   >   
   > I had hopes for Java in the late '90s. 'Java in a Nutshell', 2nd edition   
   > iirc, was fairly concise. You'd need a damn big nut for the 7th edition. I   
   > was working with the AVR processors so my 'hello world' project was a   
   > simple emulator. Not happening in Java.   
   >   
   > AWT wasn't bad but then they introduced Swing. The mantra at the time if   
   > you were upset at the glacial performance was to get a newer, faster   
   > machine, Right.   
   >   
   > I did like Visual J++, but its relationship to Sun Java was loose, leading   
   > to Sun shutting it down. It took a while but Microsoft eventually came up   
   > with C#, which is what Java (and Visual C++) should have been.   
   >   
   > We had one Java application that suffered from extensive mission creep   
   > over the years. I seldom worked on the code and always did with my fingers   
   > crossed.   
      
   Our project manager had trouble getting C++ coders, so they   
   decided to add Java to the mix. They hired a whizbang Java guy.   
   For some reason he had a complex about "linkers". We added a   
   couple more Java guys. Once things got going, the whizbang Java   
   guy got an inheritance and quit (iirc).   
      
   Then we lost the contract to a lower bid. From what I heard, the   
   new group didn't like our way and went some other way.   
      
   I never got into Java, but got into Maven and used it to build   
   both the Java and C++ code under control of Hudson (or was it   
   Jenkins?)   
      
       com.company.myapp.myfrigginclass   
      
   Now that I'm retired I forgot all that shit.   
      
   I can't imagine how the .mil contractor world is these days, it   
   was chaotic enough back then. I'm afraid to ask.   
      
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