XPost: comp.os.linux.advocacy   
   From: tom_shelton@comcast.invalid   
      
   on 12/22/2010, Homer supposed :   
   > Verily I say unto thee, that Chris Ahlstrom spake thusly:   
   >> amicus_curious pulled this Usenet face plant:   
   >>   
   >>> The crap that comes with a Linux distribution is hardly development   
   >>> grade.   
   >   
   > What, and the garbage that produced slopware like Vista is?   
   >   
   >> Bullshit.   
   >   
   > He must've been drinking the same "proprietary = better" Kool-Aid as   
   > ZnU.   
   >   
   >>> I would expect that anyone who wants to develop Linux stuff would at   
   >>> the minimum download and install a suitable version of Eclipse.  You   
   >>> don't seem to know very much about software development.   
   >>   
   >> Nor do you.  You'd shit your pants if someone said to you, "Here's vi,   
   >> gdb, make, and gcc.  Now go code."   
   >   
   > He's utterly, utterly clueless.   
   >   
   > Eclipse is not the complete production system one needs to go from zero   
   > to release using an automated workflow. It's just an IDE with plugins,   
   > that one must use interactively, useful for those who like the "visual"   
   > approach to programming, but quite useless for the sort of automated   
   > workflow used in proper buildsystems.   
   >   
   > Of course, the same is true of amateur slopware like Visual Studio.   
      
   LOL.. it appears to me that everyone in this entire thread is   
   completely clueless about automated build systems on windows.   
   Including whoever wrote the original quote.   
      
   It is simply not true that it takes a lot of effort to setup an   
   automated build system on windows, nor does it take a lot of money.  It   
   DOES take some knowledge - though, it's not that great a learning curve   
   if you have any programming knowledge at all...   
      
   I've setup several build servers - both at home and at work - and I've   
   never spent a dime (well, beyond the cost of the actual windows   
   system).   
      
   svn+CC.NET+(msbuild and ant)+windows sdk+a little powershell   
      
   and I build everything from my teams cross platform app server written   
   in C++ (runs on windows, aix, and linux), all our web stuff (C# and   
   Flex).  Run unit tests, get code metrics, and push builds with the push   
   of a button.   
      
   The fact is that the whole premise is flawed.  And if you want to spend   
   money, there is always TFS, which is even easier to setup.   
      
      
      
   --   
   Tom Shelton   
      
   --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05   
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