XPost: comp.os.linux.advocacy   
   From: ahlstromc@xzoozy.com   
      
   Tom Shelton pulled this Usenet face plant:   
      
   > Chris Ahlstrom presented the following explanation :   
   >   
   >> One thing I don't like about Windows dev tools is how they inexorably push   
   >> you towards Windows-only applications and towards the way of doing things   
   >> the way Microsoft wants them done.   
   >   
   > Chris, I in no way mean to insult you - but, that's just not true.   
      
   I take it you have never used Visual Studio, then?   
      
   > And even if it were true - it doesn't make the original claim any less   
   > bogus, because other then msbuild no part of my build tool chain is from   
   > Microsoft.  And msbuild could easily be removed for ant or nant (I already   
   > use ant for building our flex projects on windows).   
   >   
   >> And the jargon!  The Microsoft jargon!  Delegates, boxing/unboxing, sealing,   
   >> indexers, and so much more, hijacking well-known concepts from C++ and   
   >> replacing them with different terms, mostly just to be *different*, it   
   seems.   
   >   
   > No one is forcing you to use .NET (well, unless your targeting the   
   > xbox360 or wp7) - all of thse terms are specific to .NET.   
      
   Actually, I'm encountering them in a book on C#.  Haven't even gotten to the   
   .NET section yet.   
      
   > C++ is still there...  Remember?  One of the projects I build is a cross   
   > platform app server written in C++?   
      
   I applaud you for pushing back against Microsoft's push to make one think   
   that C++/CLI == C++.   
      
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