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   From: ahlstromc@xzoozy.com   
      
   Tom Shelton pulled this Usenet face plant:   
      
   > It happens that Chris Ahlstrom formulated :   
   >> Tom Shelton pulled this Usenet face plant:   
   >>   
   >>> Chris Ahlstrom presented the following explanation :   
   >>>   
   >>>> One thing I don't like about Windows dev tools is how they inexorably push   
   >>>> you towards Windows-only applications and towards the way of doing things   
   >>>> the way Microsoft wants them done.   
   >>>   
   >>> Chris, I in no way mean to insult you - but, that's just not true.   
   >>   
   >> I take it you have never used Visual Studio, then?   
   >   
   > Of course, I use it almost every day.  I just don't agree with that   
   > sentiment that it forces you to do anything.   
      
   Sure it does.  It will write skeleton code for you, and, as far as I know,   
   it doesn't even come close to the one-man project BoUML in how much you can   
   customize the code output to fit your coding standards.   
      
   You can't even generate a "proj" file on your own, because it generates   
   a UUID that becomes part of the project.   
      
   > There is very little that can not be customized - and you don't actually   
   > have to use it if you don't like it.   
      
   Agreed.  But most people just blithely use the thing.   
      
   > Personally, I like the way VS works (and eclipse,   
   > though I don't use it much - except when I have to help out on some of   
   > the flex stuff).  Having the refactoring tools, the intellisense,   
   > autocomplete, etc makes coding a lot quicker.   
      
   I've not found that to be the case, myself.  Too much waiting for the IDE to   
   catch up, and a programmer's editor that is not very intuitive compared to   
   vi or emacs.   
      
   > Everyone has their preference, and no one is forcing you to use VS I   
   > take it.   
      
   Agreed.   
      
   >> Actually, I'm encountering them in a book on C#.  Haven't even gotten to the   
   >> .NET section yet.   
   >>   
   >   
   > Well, the terms are interchangeable really.  A delegate is a delegate,   
   > if your doing C#, VB.NET, or C++/CLI.   
   >   
   > And it's not to be *different* - these concepts have specific   
   > functionality in a managed environment...   
      
   Hmmm.  As far as I can tell, a delegate is a function pointer, or a member   
   function pointer.  (I know there is more to it than that, of course).   
      
   >>> C++ is still there...  Remember?  One of the projects I build is a cross   
   >>> platform app server written in C++?   
   >>   
   >> I applaud you for pushing back against Microsoft's push to make one think   
   >> that C++/CLI == C++.   
   >   
   > C++/CLI is a C++ language extension, not C++.  There is even a standard   
   > around it now (maybe still in the works).  I tend not to use it much -   
   > though, I have found it occasionally useful for creating dll's for   
   > non-.net apps that needed to use .net functionality.   
      
   But all too many people think they're using C++ itself.   
      
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