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   From: tom_shelton@comcast.invalid   
      
   Chris Ahlstrom pretended :   
   > Tom Shelton pulled this Usenet face plant:   
   >   
   >> It happens that Chris Ahlstrom formulated :   
   >>> Tom Shelton pulled this Usenet face plant:   
   >>>   
   >>>> Chris Ahlstrom presented the following explanation :   
   >>>>   
   >>>>> One thing I don't like about Windows dev tools is how they inexorably   
   >>>>> push you towards Windows-only applications and towards the way of doing   
   >>>>> things the way Microsoft wants them done.   
   >>>>   
   >>>> Chris, I in no way mean to insult you - but, that's just not true.   
   >>>   
   >>> I take it you have never used Visual Studio, then?   
   >>   
   >> Of course, I use it almost every day.  I just don't agree with that   
   >> sentiment that it forces you to do anything.   
   >   
   > Sure it does.  It will write skeleton code for you, and, as far as I know,   
   > it doesn't even come close to the one-man project BoUML in how much you can   
   > customize the code output to fit your coding standards.   
   >   
      
   You can create your own templates.  And you can modify the existing   
   templates.  To what extent, I really can't recall because it's been   
   quite a while since I've felt the need to do that :)   
      
   > You can't even generate a "proj" file on your own, because it generates   
   > a UUID that becomes part of the project.   
   >   
      
   I generate proj files all the time for custom builds - I do it by hand.   
    I don't actually add them to the solution usually, excpet as a   
   solution item :).  But, sure you can add them because you can create   
   your own project templates.  I've done it the past - but, it's been   
   some time ago.   
      
   >> There is very little that can not be customized - and you don't actually   
   >> have to use it if you don't like it.   
   >   
   > Agreed.  But most people just blithely use the thing.   
   >   
   >> Personally, I like the way VS works (and eclipse,   
   >> though I don't use it much - except when I have to help out on some of   
   >> the flex stuff).  Having the refactoring tools, the intellisense,   
   >> autocomplete, etc makes coding a lot quicker.   
   >   
   > I've not found that to be the case, myself.  Too much waiting for the IDE to   
   > catch up, and a programmer's editor that is not very intuitive compared to   
   > vi or emacs.   
   >   
      
   Again, to each his own.   
      
   >> Everyone has their preference, and no one is forcing you to use VS I   
   >> take it.   
   >   
   > Agreed.   
   >   
   >>> Actually, I'm encountering them in a book on C#.  Haven't even gotten to   
   >>> the .NET section yet.   
   >>>   
   >>   
   >> Well, the terms are interchangeable really.  A delegate is a delegate,   
   >> if your doing C#, VB.NET, or C++/CLI.   
   >>   
   >> And it's not to be *different* - these concepts have specific   
   >> functionality in a managed environment...   
   >   
   > Hmmm.  As far as I can tell, a delegate is a function pointer, or a member   
   > function pointer.  (I know there is more to it than that, of course).   
   >   
      
   I would say that a delegate is closer to the function objects in the   
   STL.  A delegate is an object that wraps a function pointer.   
      
   >>>> C++ is still there...  Remember?  One of the projects I build is a cross   
   >>>> platform app server written in C++?   
   >>>   
   >>> I applaud you for pushing back against Microsoft's push to make one think   
   >>> that C++/CLI == C++.   
   >>   
   >> C++/CLI is a C++ language extension, not C++.  There is even a standard   
   >> around it now (maybe still in the works).  I tend not to use it much -   
   >> though, I have found it occasionally useful for creating dll's for   
   >> non-.net apps that needed to use .net functionality.   
   >   
   > But all too many people think they're using C++ itself.   
      
   That may or may not be true..  I just don't know :)   
      
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   Tom Shelton   
      
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