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   From: nuh-uh@nope.com   
      
   On 2025-08-24 15:24, Lawrence D’Oliveiro wrote:   
   > On Sun, 24 Aug 2025 18:16:39 -0400, Joel W. Crump wrote:   
   >   
   >> The Apple-centric software *largely* sucks (although selected apps are   
   >> great, Microsoft Office and Adobe's stuff are better than on Windows,   
   >> imo), the Unix features are incomplete.   
   >   
   > There was a thing called “the Unix philosophy”. Though perhaps we should   
   > nowadays call it “the *nix philosophy”.   
   >   
   > One of its principles is “mechanism, not policy”. The OS kernel and core   
   > userland should, as far as possible, not prejudge the ways in which users,   
   > developers and admins may want to deploy the system; let them configure   
   > it, and build higher custom layers on top of it, to do whatever they want.   
      
   Which is all well and good for computer nerds (and I mean that very   
   kindly in that I am one to some degree).   
      
   Ordinary people DO NOT CARE ABOUT ANY OF THAT.   
      
   >   
   > Consider how *nix display servers like X11, and now Wayland, conform to   
   > this philosophy, by being separate modular, replaceable layers that   
   > operate entirely in userland. And they are not GUIs in themselves: the   
   > actual GUIs are additional higher layers on top of them, that are modular   
   > and replaceable in themselves.   
    > > Consider how Apple breaks this philosophy, by inextricably binding its   
   > particular conception of a GUI tightly into its OS kernel.   
      
   Because they're producing a product for a mass market.   
      
   You don't get to choose a GUI when you are buying your dishwasher...   
      
   ...or your microwave...   
      
   ...or your car.   
      
   You want the manufacturer to deliver you a whole product that works in a   
   manner you like (for the most part).   
      
   Why do you think there is such a hue and cry when a widely used OS--be   
   it Windows, macOS, Android--undergoes a large UI change?   
      
   When Apple first brought out Mac OS X, there was a huge backlash against   
   the change in UI.   
      
   When Microsoft brought out Windows 8, there was a reaction from users   
   that was so bad that many took that as a reason to switch to Macs.   
      
   There is a (relatively) small community of users of any mass market   
   product that want full customizability. Hell, I used to play with   
   products like "Kaleidoscope" for Mac OS 7 and 8.   
      
   But you come at this as if everyone wants that level of control, and the   
   truth is: they don't.   
      
   --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05   
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