XPost: comp.os.linux.advocacy, comp.sys.mac.advocacy
From: nuh-uh@nope.com
On 2025-08-24 21:11, vallor wrote:
> On Sun, 24 Aug 2025 11:23:05 -0700, Alan wrote in
> <108flaa$2vcpq$2@dont-email.me>:
>
>> On 2025-08-24 02:44, Joel W. Crump wrote:
>>> On 8/24/2025 5:32 AM, Lawrence D’Oliveiro wrote:
>>>
>>>>> But no, buying a fucking Mac is not the answer. It's too expensive.
>>>>
>>>> And lacking in expandability and versatility. All Apple’s machines are
>>>> basically just glorified laptops now.
>>>>
>>>> And the OS may have licensed the “Unix” trademark, but it doesn’t
work
>>>> the way people expect traditional “Unix” systems to work.
>>>>
>>>> Ask one of the original Bell Labs crew, Ken “Mr Unix” Thompson: he has
>>>> given up on Apple and switched to Linux.
>>>
>>>
>>> Right, it's a freakin' joke, if you ask me, there are *selected*
>>> functions of macOS software that outshine the competition, but the
>>> typical home user is better off with something else, because of the
>>> ridiculous expense of the Apple platform, even if they like macOS, it's
>>> just throwing money down the toilet. Maybe they have money to burn, I
>>> could understand that, but it would never click with me even if I did
>>> have a billion dollars, because my brain doesn't work that way to
>>> prefer Apple's quirkware.
>>>
>>>
>> "Ridiculous expense"? Please.
>>
>> Yes: my MacBook Air (M3) cost me $2,200CAD, but based on my experience,
>> this is a computer I can easily use for the next 5 years.
>>
>> That's $37 a month.
>>
>> Even if a decent laptop with Linux cost me a third of that (and I very
>> much doubt you can find one as good for that number), the difference is
>> about $25/month.
>>
>> That's hardly a huge barrier to entry.
>>
>> But please elaborate:
>>
>> What makes Apple's technology so "quirky" in your estimation?
>
> They put the window buttons on the wrong side of the titlebar.
>
> ;)
>
> Seriously, though, there's nothing wrong with higher end Macs for
> what you get. I wouldn't wish a Mac mini on my worst enemy, though.
And why is that?
>
> Someone said Macs weren't extendable -- but they are, with Thunderbolt,
> which is basically "external PCIE".
"Basically"? It is exactly and literally external PCIe.
>
> Same guy said Macs "weren't really Unix" (paraphrased), but has never
> explained what he means by that, and I daresay he's never used a Mac
> command line -- which is bash, in a POSIX+ environment.
>
> There's something to be said about people with no knowledge or
> experience with a system making claims about it. I'll not say it
> personally, but leave it to others to decide.
>
> But having said all that: Linux is still a better environment
> for _my_ needs, which includes a recent installation of a document
> management system, using docker. (Do Macs have docker? Do they even
> have containers? Beats me.)
I don't know what "docker" is, and what in Linux context are "containers"?
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