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   From: nuh-uh@nope.com   
      
   On 2025-08-25 01:42, vallor wrote:   
   > On Sun, 24 Aug 2025 15:53:56 -0700, Alan  wrote in   
   > <108g564$3215v$9@dont-email.me>:   
   >   
   >> On 2025-08-24 15:47, Joel W. Crump wrote:   
   >>> On 8/24/2025 6:24 PM, Lawrence D’Oliveiro wrote:   
   >>>   
   >>>>> The Apple-centric software *largely* sucks (although selected apps are   
   >>>>> great, Microsoft Office and Adobe's stuff are better than on Windows,   
   >>>>> imo), the Unix features are incomplete.   
   >>>>   
   >>>> There was a thing called “the Unix philosophy”. Though perhaps we   
   should   
   >>>> nowadays call it “the *nix philosophy”.   
   >>>>   
   >>>> One of its principles is “mechanism, not policy”. The OS kernel and   
   core   
   >>>> userland should, as far as possible, not prejudge the ways in which   
   >>>> users,   
   >>>> developers and admins may want to deploy the system; let them configure   
   >>>> it, and build higher custom layers on top of it, to do whatever they   
   >>>> want.   
   >>>>   
   >>>> Consider how *nix display servers like X11, and now Wayland, conform to   
   >>>> this philosophy, by being separate modular, replaceable layers that   
   >>>> operate entirely in userland. And they are not GUIs in themselves: the   
   >>>> actual GUIs are additional higher layers on top of them, that are modular   
   >>>> and replaceable in themselves.   
   >>>>   
   >>>> Consider how Apple breaks this philosophy, by inextricably binding its   
   >>>> particular conception of a GUI tightly into its OS kernel.   
   >>>   
   >>>   
   >>> It's a minor concern, ultimately, I do like the modular nature of Unix   
   >>> and GNU/Linux in terms of creating a GUI, it's terrific, but Microsoft   
   >>> and Apple haven't failed to be as advanced as such, there's nothing to   
   >>> say there are limitations on what can be developed for them.   
   >>>   
   >>   
   >> Do you want to buy a car where you can pick which engine you use?   
   >>   
   >> Have you actually created your own GUI?   
   >   
   > Terrible analogy.   
   >   
   > My car's NAV system has different themes to chose from.  Almost   
   > nobody will use them, but some people do.   
   >   
   > Choice is good.   
   And yet for most consumer goods, choice is extremely limited and   
   personal customization after purchase is essentially nil.   
      
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