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   From: vallor@cultnix.org   
      
   On Tue, 26 Aug 2025 20:24:12 -0700, %  wrote in   
   :   
      
   > vallor wrote:   
   >> On Sun, 24 Aug 2025 22:12:52 -0700, Alan  wrote in   
   >> <108grck$37ilo$2@dont-email.me>:   
   >>   
   >>> On 2025-08-24 21:11, vallor wrote:   
   >>>> On Sun, 24 Aug 2025 11:23:05 -0700, Alan  wrote in   
   >>>> <108flaa$2vcpq$2@dont-email.me>:   
   >>>>   
   >>>>> On 2025-08-24 02:44, Joel W. Crump wrote:   
   >>>>>> On 8/24/2025 5:32 AM, Lawrence D’Oliveiro wrote:   
   >>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>> But no, buying a fucking Mac is not the answer.  It's too   
   >>>>>>>> expensive.   
   >>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>> And lacking in expandability and versatility. All Apple’s machines   
   >>>>>>> are basically just glorified laptops now.   
   >>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>> And the OS may have licensed the “Unix” trademark, but it doesn’t   
   >>>>>>> work the way people expect traditional “Unix” systems to work.   
   >>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>> Ask one of the original Bell Labs crew, Ken “Mr Unix” Thompson: he   
   >>>>>>> has given up on Apple and switched to Linux.   
   >>>>>>   
   >>>>>>   
   >>>>>> Right, it's a freakin' joke, if you ask me, there are *selected*   
   >>>>>> functions of macOS software that outshine the competition, but the   
   >>>>>> typical home user is better off with something else, because of the   
   >>>>>> ridiculous expense of the Apple platform, even if they like macOS,   
   >>>>>> it's just throwing money down the toilet.  Maybe they have money to   
   >>>>>> burn, I could understand that, but it would never click with me   
   >>>>>> even if I did have a billion dollars, because my brain doesn't work   
   >>>>>> that way to prefer Apple's quirkware.   
   >>>>>>   
   >>>>>>   
   >>>>> "Ridiculous expense"? Please.   
   >>>>>   
   >>>>> Yes: my MacBook Air (M3) cost me $2,200CAD, but based on my   
   >>>>> experience,   
   >>>>> this is a computer I can easily use for the next 5 years.   
   >>>>>   
   >>>>> That's $37 a month.   
   >>>>>   
   >>>>> Even if a decent laptop with Linux cost me a third of that (and I   
   >>>>> very much doubt you can find one as good for that number), the   
   >>>>> difference is about $25/month.   
   >>>>>   
   >>>>> That's hardly a huge barrier to entry.   
   >>>>>   
   >>>>> But please elaborate:   
   >>>>>   
   >>>>> What makes Apple's technology so "quirky" in your estimation?   
   >>>>   
   >>>> They put the window buttons on the wrong side of the titlebar.   
   >>>>   
   >>>> ;)   
   >>>>   
   >>>> Seriously, though, there's nothing wrong with higher end Macs for   
   >>>> what you get.  I wouldn't wish a Mac mini on my worst enemy, though.   
   >>>   
   >>> And why is that?   
   >>   
   >> Because both Mac mini's we've owned over the years have been slugs.   
   >>   
   >>   
   >>>   
   >>>> Someone said Macs weren't extendable -- but they are, with   
   >>>> Thunderbolt,   
   >>>> which is basically "external PCIE".   
   >>>   
   >>> "Basically"? It is exactly and literally external PCIe.   
   >>>   
   >>>   
   >>>> Same guy said Macs "weren't really Unix" (paraphrased), but has never   
   >>>> explained what he means by that, and I daresay he's never used a Mac   
   >>>> command line -- which is bash, in a POSIX+ environment.   
   >>>>   
   >>>> There's something to be said about people with no knowledge or   
   >>>> experience with a system making claims about it.  I'll not say it   
   >>>> personally, but leave it to others to decide.   
   >>>>   
   >>>> But having said all that:  Linux is still a better environment for   
   >>>> _my_   
   >>>> needs, which includes a recent installation of a document management   
   >>>> system, using docker.  (Do Macs have docker?  Do they even have   
   >>>> containers?  Beats me.)   
   >>> I don't know what "docker" is, and what in Linux context are   
   >>> "containers"?   
   >>   
   >> Containers are a kind of lightweight virtual space that still runs on   
   >> the same kernel as the rest of the host.  They can have their own   
   >> uid's,gid's, network addresses, chroots, etc.   
   >>   
   >> Docker is a way to run things easily within containers.  It's all the   
   >> rage for lightweight virtualized setups.   
   >>   
   >> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Docker_(software)   
   >>   
   > what , what's this , there's something you don't know   
      
   About MacOS?  There are things there that I definitely don't   
   know -- or didn't know, and had to learn about.   
      
   (Like setting a custom schedule for timemachine backups.  Had   
   to get a third-party app for that.)   
      
   In the case of docker, it appears one runs colima, and one   
   can get that through brew.   
      
   I have brew.   
      
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