XPost: comp.os.linux.advocacy, comp.sys.mac.advocacy
From: vallor@cultnix.org
On Sun, 24 Aug 2025 22:12:52 -0700, Alan wrote in
<108grck$37ilo$2@dont-email.me>:
> On 2025-08-24 21:11, vallor wrote:
>> On Sun, 24 Aug 2025 11:23:05 -0700, Alan wrote in
>> <108flaa$2vcpq$2@dont-email.me>:
>>
>>> On 2025-08-24 02:44, Joel W. Crump wrote:
>>>> On 8/24/2025 5:32 AM, Lawrence D’Oliveiro wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>> But no, buying a fucking Mac is not the answer. It's too
>>>>>> expensive.
>>>>>
>>>>> And lacking in expandability and versatility. All Apple’s machines
>>>>> are basically just glorified laptops now.
>>>>>
>>>>> And the OS may have licensed the “Unix” trademark, but it doesn’t
>>>>> work the way people expect traditional “Unix” systems to work.
>>>>>
>>>>> Ask one of the original Bell Labs crew, Ken “Mr Unix” Thompson: he
>>>>> has given up on Apple and switched to Linux.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Right, it's a freakin' joke, if you ask me, there are *selected*
>>>> functions of macOS software that outshine the competition, but the
>>>> typical home user is better off with something else, because of the
>>>> ridiculous expense of the Apple platform, even if they like macOS,
>>>> it's just throwing money down the toilet. Maybe they have money to
>>>> burn, I could understand that, but it would never click with me even
>>>> if I did have a billion dollars, because my brain doesn't work that
>>>> way to prefer Apple's quirkware.
>>>>
>>>>
>>> "Ridiculous expense"? Please.
>>>
>>> Yes: my MacBook Air (M3) cost me $2,200CAD, but based on my
>>> experience,
>>> this is a computer I can easily use for the next 5 years.
>>>
>>> That's $37 a month.
>>>
>>> Even if a decent laptop with Linux cost me a third of that (and I very
>>> much doubt you can find one as good for that number), the difference
>>> is about $25/month.
>>>
>>> That's hardly a huge barrier to entry.
>>>
>>> But please elaborate:
>>>
>>> What makes Apple's technology so "quirky" in your estimation?
>>
>> They put the window buttons on the wrong side of the titlebar.
>>
>> ;)
>>
>> Seriously, though, there's nothing wrong with higher end Macs for what
>> you get. I wouldn't wish a Mac mini on my worst enemy, though.
>
> And why is that?
Because both Mac mini's we've owned over the years have been slugs.
>
>
>> Someone said Macs weren't extendable -- but they are, with Thunderbolt,
>> which is basically "external PCIE".
>
> "Basically"? It is exactly and literally external PCIe.
>
>
>> Same guy said Macs "weren't really Unix" (paraphrased), but has never
>> explained what he means by that, and I daresay he's never used a Mac
>> command line -- which is bash, in a POSIX+ environment.
>>
>> There's something to be said about people with no knowledge or
>> experience with a system making claims about it. I'll not say it
>> personally, but leave it to others to decide.
>>
>> But having said all that: Linux is still a better environment for _my_
>> needs, which includes a recent installation of a document management
>> system, using docker. (Do Macs have docker? Do they even have
>> containers? Beats me.)
> I don't know what "docker" is, and what in Linux context are
> "containers"?
Containers are a kind of lightweight virtual space that still runs on
the same kernel as the rest of the host. They can have their own
uid's,gid's, network addresses, chroots, etc.
Docker is a way to run things easily within containers. It's all the rage
for lightweight virtualized setups.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Docker_(software)
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