XPost: comp.os.linux.advocacy, comp.sys.mac.advocacy   
   From: nuh-uh@nope.com   
      
   On 2025-08-27 08:59, CrudeSausage wrote:   
   > On 2025-08-26 9:17 p.m., Alan wrote:   
   >> On 2025-08-26 19:34, CrudeSausage wrote:   
   >>> On 2025-08-26 6:27 p.m., Alan wrote:   
   >>>> On 2025-08-25 12:45, CrudeSausage wrote:   
   >>>>> On 2025-08-25 9:58 a.m., Alan wrote:   
   >>>>>> On 2025-08-25 05:56, CrudeSausage wrote:   
   >>>>>>> On 2025-08-24 6:57 p.m., Alan wrote:   
   >>>>>>>> On 2025-08-24 15:53, Joel W. Crump wrote:   
   >>>>>>>>> On 8/24/2025 6:27 PM, Alan wrote:   
   >>>>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>> More specifically, if you're "not wired for Apple",   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>> because you replaced it with Windows, what makes you more   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>> "wired" for that?   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>> Windows is just WYSIWYG, Mac is quirky.  Linux requires   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>> comprehension, which I have, but I'm not disliking using   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>> Windows again, for now.  I haven't made my decision about   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>> replacing it with Linux on this mini PC.   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>>>>>> Unresponsive.   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>>>>>> In what way is Windows any more WYSIWYG than macOS?   
   >>>>>>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>>>>> I could be out of date, I guess, having used macOS during   
   >>>>>>>>>>> Snow Leopard, but then again it hasn't really changed   
   >>>>>>>>>>> fundamentally, it's counterintuitive to me.  They are on a   
   >>>>>>>>>>> lower intellectual level than Microsoft, and definitely the   
   >>>>>>>>>>> GNU/Linux realm. People who click with macOS are willing to   
   >>>>>>>>>>> pay for the privilege, but damn it's pricey, the hardware   
   >>>>>>>>>>> options not competitive with Windows devices.   
   >>>>>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>>>> IN WHAT SPECIFIC WAYS?   
   >>>>>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>>>> HOW was it supposedly "counterintuitive"?   
   >>>>>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>>>> See: I can list some ways that Windows as it stands TODAY is   
   >>>>>>>>>> downright user hostile.   
   >>>>>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>>>> 1. Windows 10 created a new application called "Settings"...   
   >>>>>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>>>> ...but you still needed to use the Control Panel for some things.   
   >>>>>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>>>> And that is still true (albeit to a lesser degree) of Windows 11.   
   >>>>>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>>>> 2. How do you change the scrolling direction of the mouse   
   >>>>>>>>>> wheel (assuming your mouse has one).   
   >>>>>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>>>> I could go on, but believe me there are others that astound me   
   >>>>>>>>>> all the time.   
   >>>>>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>>>> And overall, the fluidity--the look and feel--of the interface   
   >>>>>>>>>> is just terrible! The pointer doesn't move as smoothly. The   
   >>>>>>>>>> rendering of... ...everything in the UI looks terrible.   
   >>>>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>>> I hear you, with the way Windows settings have evolved, not   
   >>>>>>>>> being entirely coherent, but File Explorer is light years   
   >>>>>>>>> better than Finder as I experienced it under Snow Leopard.   
   >>>>>>>>> Edge is better than Safari, AFAIK.  Apple is just the duller   
   >>>>>>>>> minds of the industry.   
   >>>>>>>> So, you're comparing which version of File Explorer to an OS   
   >>>>>>>> that came out 16 years ago; Windows 7?   
   >>>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>> HOW is "Edge better than Safari"? How can you possibly say   
   >>>>>>>> "AFAIK" about it?   
   >>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>> For one, Edge uses the Chromium engine which provides for better   
   >>>>>>> compatibility with websites.   
   >>>>>>   
   >>>>>> Who says so? I've yet to see a single problem on any site I've used.   
   >>>>>   
   >>>>> I've read developers complaining about it but I'm with you, I have   
   >>>>> yet to experience a problem. I don't have a Mac anymore, but I have   
   >>>>> no doubt that if I purchased one again, there would be no issue.   
   >>>>>   
   >>>>>>> It also provides some very decent AI functionality that is   
   >>>>>>> completely absent from Safari.   
   >>>>>>   
   >>>>>> You mean it forces you to use Copilot.   
   >>>>>   
   >>>>> No, it doesn't.   
   >>>> Interesting.   
   >>>>   
   >>>> What "AI functionality" is there in Edge that isn't tied to using   
   >>>> Copilot?   
   >>>>   
   >>>> I'm genuinely asking.   
   >>>   
   >>> What I'm saying is that you are not obligated to use any of the AI   
   >>> functionality. It's tied to search, and you can use AI to produce   
   >>> some nice images related to a description you write, but it is   
   >>> otherwise no better than any other browser.   
   >> And what I'm saying is that if you WANT to use AI functionality in   
   >> Edge, it is going to be Microsoft's AI you use.   
   >   
   > Why would Microsoft be forced to provide access to a competitor's AI if   
   > they have their own? It only makes sense that a proprietary company like   
   > Microsoft which believes you should use their proprietary browser and   
   > proprietary search engine should also expect you to use their   
   > proprietary AI.   
   >   
      
   They wouldn't.   
      
   But in a thread about Linux and choice, isn't the insistence that Edge   
   is superior because it integrates Copilot as its AI a little contradictory?   
      
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