XPost: comp.os.linux.advocacy, comp.sys.mac.advocacy   
   From: nuh-uh@nope.com   
      
   On 2025-08-27 00:09, vallor wrote:   
   > On Tue, 26 Aug 2025 20:24:12 -0700, %  wrote in   
   > :   
   >   
   >> vallor wrote:   
   >>> On Sun, 24 Aug 2025 22:12:52 -0700, Alan  wrote in   
   >>> <108grck$37ilo$2@dont-email.me>:   
   >>>   
   >>>> On 2025-08-24 21:11, vallor wrote:   
   >>>>> On Sun, 24 Aug 2025 11:23:05 -0700, Alan  wrote in   
   >>>>> <108flaa$2vcpq$2@dont-email.me>:   
   >>>>>   
   >>>>>> On 2025-08-24 02:44, Joel W. Crump wrote:   
   >>>>>>> On 8/24/2025 5:32 AM, Lawrence D’Oliveiro wrote:   
   >>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>>> But no, buying a fucking Mac is not the answer.  It's too   
   >>>>>>>>> expensive.   
   >>>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>> And lacking in expandability and versatility. All Apple’s machines   
   >>>>>>>> are basically just glorified laptops now.   
   >>>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>> And the OS may have licensed the “Unix” trademark, but it   
   doesn’t   
   >>>>>>>> work the way people expect traditional “Unix” systems to work.   
   >>>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>> Ask one of the original Bell Labs crew, Ken “Mr Unix” Thompson: he   
   >>>>>>>> has given up on Apple and switched to Linux.   
   >>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>> Right, it's a freakin' joke, if you ask me, there are *selected*   
   >>>>>>> functions of macOS software that outshine the competition, but the   
   >>>>>>> typical home user is better off with something else, because of the   
   >>>>>>> ridiculous expense of the Apple platform, even if they like macOS,   
   >>>>>>> it's just throwing money down the toilet.  Maybe they have money to   
   >>>>>>> burn, I could understand that, but it would never click with me   
   >>>>>>> even if I did have a billion dollars, because my brain doesn't work   
   >>>>>>> that way to prefer Apple's quirkware.   
   >>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>   
   >>>>>> "Ridiculous expense"? Please.   
   >>>>>>   
   >>>>>> Yes: my MacBook Air (M3) cost me $2,200CAD, but based on my   
   >>>>>> experience,   
   >>>>>> this is a computer I can easily use for the next 5 years.   
   >>>>>>   
   >>>>>> That's $37 a month.   
   >>>>>>   
   >>>>>> Even if a decent laptop with Linux cost me a third of that (and I   
   >>>>>> very much doubt you can find one as good for that number), the   
   >>>>>> difference is about $25/month.   
   >>>>>>   
   >>>>>> That's hardly a huge barrier to entry.   
   >>>>>>   
   >>>>>> But please elaborate:   
   >>>>>>   
   >>>>>> What makes Apple's technology so "quirky" in your estimation?   
   >>>>>   
   >>>>> They put the window buttons on the wrong side of the titlebar.   
   >>>>>   
   >>>>> ;)   
   >>>>>   
   >>>>> Seriously, though, there's nothing wrong with higher end Macs for   
   >>>>> what you get.  I wouldn't wish a Mac mini on my worst enemy, though.   
   >>>>   
   >>>> And why is that?   
   >>>   
   >>> Because both Mac mini's we've owned over the years have been slugs.   
   >>>   
   >>>   
   >>>>   
   >>>>> Someone said Macs weren't extendable -- but they are, with   
   >>>>> Thunderbolt,   
   >>>>> which is basically "external PCIE".   
   >>>>   
   >>>> "Basically"? It is exactly and literally external PCIe.   
   >>>>   
   >>>>   
   >>>>> Same guy said Macs "weren't really Unix" (paraphrased), but has never   
   >>>>> explained what he means by that, and I daresay he's never used a Mac   
   >>>>> command line -- which is bash, in a POSIX+ environment.   
   >>>>>   
   >>>>> There's something to be said about people with no knowledge or   
   >>>>> experience with a system making claims about it.  I'll not say it   
   >>>>> personally, but leave it to others to decide.   
   >>>>>   
   >>>>> But having said all that:  Linux is still a better environment for   
   >>>>> _my_   
   >>>>> needs, which includes a recent installation of a document management   
   >>>>> system, using docker.  (Do Macs have docker?  Do they even have   
   >>>>> containers?  Beats me.)   
   >>>> I don't know what "docker" is, and what in Linux context are   
   >>>> "containers"?   
   >>>   
   >>> Containers are a kind of lightweight virtual space that still runs on   
   >>> the same kernel as the rest of the host.  They can have their own   
   >>> uid's,gid's, network addresses, chroots, etc.   
   >>>   
   >>> Docker is a way to run things easily within containers.  It's all the   
   >>> rage for lightweight virtualized setups.   
   >>>   
   >>> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Docker_(software)   
   >>>   
   >> what , what's this , there's something you don't know   
   >   
   > About MacOS?  There are things there that I definitely don't   
   > know -- or didn't know, and had to learn about.   
   >   
   > (Like setting a custom schedule for timemachine backups.  Had   
   > to get a third-party app for that.)   
      
   But it was available, right? So you sainted customization was available   
   after all!   
      
   >   
   > In the case of docker, it appears one runs colima, and one   
   > can get that through brew.   
   >   
   > I have brew.   
   >   
      
   So do I... ...on macOS:   
      
   #man brew   
   BREW(1)   General Commands Manual   BREW(1)   
      
   NAME   
           brew - The Missing Package Manager for macOS (or Linux)   
      
   SYNOPSIS   
           brew --version   
           brew command [--verbose|-v] [options] [formula] ...   
      
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