XPost: comp.os.linux.advocacy, comp.sys.mac.advocacy   
   From: nuh-uh@nope.com   
      
   On 2025-08-27 14:51, CrudeSausage wrote:   
   > On 2025-08-27 9:29 a.m., Alan wrote:   
   >> On 2025-08-27 08:59, CrudeSausage wrote:   
   >>> On 2025-08-26 9:17 p.m., Alan wrote:   
   >>>> On 2025-08-26 19:34, CrudeSausage wrote:   
   >>>>> On 2025-08-26 6:27 p.m., Alan wrote:   
   >>>>>> On 2025-08-25 12:45, CrudeSausage wrote:   
   >>>>>>> On 2025-08-25 9:58 a.m., Alan wrote:   
   >>>>>>>> On 2025-08-25 05:56, CrudeSausage wrote:   
   >>>>>>>>> On 2025-08-24 6:57 p.m., Alan wrote:   
   >>>>>>>>>> On 2025-08-24 15:53, Joel W. Crump wrote:   
   >>>>>>>>>>> On 8/24/2025 6:27 PM, Alan wrote:   
   >>>>>>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> More specifically, if you're "not wired for Apple",   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> because you replaced it with Windows, what makes you   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> more "wired" for that?   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Windows is just WYSIWYG, Mac is quirky.  Linux requires   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> comprehension, which I have, but I'm not disliking using   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Windows again, for now.  I haven't made my decision about   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> replacing it with Linux on this mini PC.   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Unresponsive.   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>> In what way is Windows any more WYSIWYG than macOS?   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>> I could be out of date, I guess, having used macOS during   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>> Snow Leopard, but then again it hasn't really changed   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>> fundamentally, it's counterintuitive to me.  They are on a   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>> lower intellectual level than Microsoft, and definitely the   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>> GNU/Linux realm. People who click with macOS are willing to   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>> pay for the privilege, but damn it's pricey, the hardware   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>> options not competitive with Windows devices.   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>>>>>> IN WHAT SPECIFIC WAYS?   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>>>>>> HOW was it supposedly "counterintuitive"?   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>>>>>> See: I can list some ways that Windows as it stands TODAY is   
   >>>>>>>>>>>> downright user hostile.   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>>>>>> 1. Windows 10 created a new application called "Settings"...   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>>>>>> ...but you still needed to use the Control Panel for some   
   >>>>>>>>>>>> things.   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>>>>>> And that is still true (albeit to a lesser degree) of   
   >>>>>>>>>>>> Windows 11.   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>>>>>> 2. How do you change the scrolling direction of the mouse   
   >>>>>>>>>>>> wheel (assuming your mouse has one).   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>>>>>> I could go on, but believe me there are others that astound   
   >>>>>>>>>>>> me all the time.   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>>>>>> And overall, the fluidity--the look and feel--of the   
   >>>>>>>>>>>> interface is just terrible! The pointer doesn't move as   
   >>>>>>>>>>>> smoothly. The rendering of... ...everything in the UI looks   
   >>>>>>>>>>>> terrible.   
   >>>>>>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>>>>> I hear you, with the way Windows settings have evolved, not   
   >>>>>>>>>>> being entirely coherent, but File Explorer is light years   
   >>>>>>>>>>> better than Finder as I experienced it under Snow Leopard.   
   >>>>>>>>>>> Edge is better than Safari, AFAIK.  Apple is just the duller   
   >>>>>>>>>>> minds of the industry.   
   >>>>>>>>>> So, you're comparing which version of File Explorer to an OS   
   >>>>>>>>>> that came out 16 years ago; Windows 7?   
   >>>>>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>>>> HOW is "Edge better than Safari"? How can you possibly say   
   >>>>>>>>>> "AFAIK" about it?   
   >>>>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>>> For one, Edge uses the Chromium engine which provides for   
   >>>>>>>>> better compatibility with websites.   
   >>>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>> Who says so? I've yet to see a single problem on any site I've   
   >>>>>>>> used.   
   >>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>> I've read developers complaining about it but I'm with you, I   
   >>>>>>> have yet to experience a problem. I don't have a Mac anymore, but   
   >>>>>>> I have no doubt that if I purchased one again, there would be no   
   >>>>>>> issue.   
   >>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>>> It also provides some very decent AI functionality that is   
   >>>>>>>>> completely absent from Safari.   
   >>>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>> You mean it forces you to use Copilot.   
   >>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>> No, it doesn't.   
   >>>>>> Interesting.   
   >>>>>>   
   >>>>>> What "AI functionality" is there in Edge that isn't tied to using   
   >>>>>> Copilot?   
   >>>>>>   
   >>>>>> I'm genuinely asking.   
   >>>>>   
   >>>>> What I'm saying is that you are not obligated to use any of the AI   
   >>>>> functionality. It's tied to search, and you can use AI to produce   
   >>>>> some nice images related to a description you write, but it is   
   >>>>> otherwise no better than any other browser.   
   >>>> And what I'm saying is that if you WANT to use AI functionality in   
   >>>> Edge, it is going to be Microsoft's AI you use.   
   >>>   
   >>> Why would Microsoft be forced to provide access to a competitor's AI   
   >>> if they have their own? It only makes sense that a proprietary   
   >>> company like Microsoft which believes you should use their   
   >>> proprietary browser and proprietary search engine should also expect   
   >>> you to use their proprietary AI.   
   >>>   
   >>   
   >> They wouldn't.   
   >>   
   >> But in a thread about Linux and choice, isn't the insistence that Edge   
   >> is superior because it integrates Copilot as its AI a little   
   >> contradictory?   
   >   
   > Edge is superior to Chrome because of its AI functionality. However, if   
   > it doesn't matter to you at all, the difference between both browsers is   
   > trivial. I'd still give the advantage to Edge because it supports   
   > certain extensions Chrome blacklisted, and I find its security features   
   > to be superior.   
      
   What actual "AI functionality" does it give you?   
      
   It lets you access Copilot...   
      
   ...without having to type in the URL to Copilot.   
      
   It uses "AI" to identify dubious websites...   
      
   ...which Chrome can do; just not calling it AI.   
      
   What is the actual VALUE here?   
      
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