XPost: comp.os.linux.advocacy, comp.sys.mac.advocacy   
   From: crude@sausa.ge   
      
   On 2025-08-27 3:41 p.m., Alan wrote:   
   > On 2025-08-27 14:51, CrudeSausage wrote:   
   >> On 2025-08-27 9:29 a.m., Alan wrote:   
   >>> On 2025-08-27 08:59, CrudeSausage wrote:   
   >>>> On 2025-08-26 9:17 p.m., Alan wrote:   
   >>>>> On 2025-08-26 19:34, CrudeSausage wrote:   
   >>>>>> On 2025-08-26 6:27 p.m., Alan wrote:   
   >>>>>>> On 2025-08-25 12:45, CrudeSausage wrote:   
   >>>>>>>> On 2025-08-25 9:58 a.m., Alan wrote:   
   >>>>>>>>> On 2025-08-25 05:56, CrudeSausage wrote:   
   >>>>>>>>>> On 2025-08-24 6:57 p.m., Alan wrote:   
   >>>>>>>>>>> On 2025-08-24 15:53, Joel W. Crump wrote:   
   >>>>>>>>>>>> On 8/24/2025 6:27 PM, Alan wrote:   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> More specifically, if you're "not wired for Apple",   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> because you replaced it with Windows, what makes you   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> more "wired" for that?   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Windows is just WYSIWYG, Mac is quirky.  Linux requires   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> comprehension, which I have, but I'm not disliking using   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Windows again, for now.  I haven't made my decision   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> about replacing it with Linux on this mini PC.   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Unresponsive.   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> In what way is Windows any more WYSIWYG than macOS?   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>> I could be out of date, I guess, having used macOS during   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Snow Leopard, but then again it hasn't really changed   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>> fundamentally, it's counterintuitive to me.  They are on a   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>> lower intellectual level than Microsoft, and definitely   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>> the GNU/Linux realm. People who click with macOS are   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>> willing to pay for the privilege, but damn it's pricey,   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>> the hardware options not competitive with Windows devices.   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>> IN WHAT SPECIFIC WAYS?   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>> HOW was it supposedly "counterintuitive"?   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>> See: I can list some ways that Windows as it stands TODAY   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>> is downright user hostile.   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>> 1. Windows 10 created a new application called "Settings"...   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>> ...but you still needed to use the Control Panel for some   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>> things.   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>> And that is still true (albeit to a lesser degree) of   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>> Windows 11.   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>> 2. How do you change the scrolling direction of the mouse   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>> wheel (assuming your mouse has one).   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>> I could go on, but believe me there are others that astound   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>> me all the time.   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>> And overall, the fluidity--the look and feel--of the   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>> interface is just terrible! The pointer doesn't move as   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>> smoothly. The rendering of... ...everything in the UI looks   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>> terrible.   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>>>>>> I hear you, with the way Windows settings have evolved, not   
   >>>>>>>>>>>> being entirely coherent, but File Explorer is light years   
   >>>>>>>>>>>> better than Finder as I experienced it under Snow Leopard.   
   >>>>>>>>>>>> Edge is better than Safari, AFAIK.  Apple is just the duller   
   >>>>>>>>>>>> minds of the industry.   
   >>>>>>>>>>> So, you're comparing which version of File Explorer to an OS   
   >>>>>>>>>>> that came out 16 years ago; Windows 7?   
   >>>>>>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>>>>> HOW is "Edge better than Safari"? How can you possibly say   
   >>>>>>>>>>> "AFAIK" about it?   
   >>>>>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>>>> For one, Edge uses the Chromium engine which provides for   
   >>>>>>>>>> better compatibility with websites.   
   >>>>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>>> Who says so? I've yet to see a single problem on any site I've   
   >>>>>>>>> used.   
   >>>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>> I've read developers complaining about it but I'm with you, I   
   >>>>>>>> have yet to experience a problem. I don't have a Mac anymore,   
   >>>>>>>> but I have no doubt that if I purchased one again, there would   
   >>>>>>>> be no issue.   
   >>>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>>>> It also provides some very decent AI functionality that is   
   >>>>>>>>>> completely absent from Safari.   
   >>>>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>>> You mean it forces you to use Copilot.   
   >>>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>> No, it doesn't.   
   >>>>>>> Interesting.   
   >>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>> What "AI functionality" is there in Edge that isn't tied to using   
   >>>>>>> Copilot?   
   >>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>> I'm genuinely asking.   
   >>>>>>   
   >>>>>> What I'm saying is that you are not obligated to use any of the AI   
   >>>>>> functionality. It's tied to search, and you can use AI to produce   
   >>>>>> some nice images related to a description you write, but it is   
   >>>>>> otherwise no better than any other browser.   
   >>>>> And what I'm saying is that if you WANT to use AI functionality in   
   >>>>> Edge, it is going to be Microsoft's AI you use.   
   >>>>   
   >>>> Why would Microsoft be forced to provide access to a competitor's AI   
   >>>> if they have their own? It only makes sense that a proprietary   
   >>>> company like Microsoft which believes you should use their   
   >>>> proprietary browser and proprietary search engine should also expect   
   >>>> you to use their proprietary AI.   
   >>>>   
   >>>   
   >>> They wouldn't.   
   >>>   
   >>> But in a thread about Linux and choice, isn't the insistence that   
   >>> Edge is superior because it integrates Copilot as its AI a little   
   >>> contradictory?   
   >>   
   >> Edge is superior to Chrome because of its AI functionality. However,   
   >> if it doesn't matter to you at all, the difference between both   
   >> browsers is trivial. I'd still give the advantage to Edge because it   
   >> supports certain extensions Chrome blacklisted, and I find its   
   >> security features to be superior.   
   >   
   > What actual "AI functionality" does it give you?   
      
   Well, I'm a fan of Microsoft Designer. If I want to create a picture   
   really quickly, it provides me with some stellar results as long as my   
   description is detailed. The search engine also has a summarizing   
   feature that I like as much as the one in Brave. Of course, I don't use   
   AI that much. If I do, it's only because I'm looking for something quickly.   
      
   > It lets you access Copilot...   
   >   
   > ...without having to type in the URL to Copilot.   
   >   
   > It uses "AI" to identify dubious websites...   
   >   
   > ...which Chrome can do; just not calling it AI.   
   >   
   > What is the actual VALUE here?   
      
   All I can tell you for sure is that Apple seems to be sweating because   
   they've been stagnating for a while whereas Microsoft is adding a lot of   
   value to its products with AI. Apple was forced to sign with OpenAI when   
   they failed to create their own "intelligence" within a respectable time   
   frame.   
      
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