XPost: comp.os.linux.advocacy, comp.sys.mac.advocacy   
   From: nuh-uh@nope.com   
      
   On 2025-08-27 19:18, CrudeSausage wrote:   
   > On 2025-08-27 3:41 p.m., Alan wrote:   
   >> On 2025-08-27 14:51, CrudeSausage wrote:   
   >>> On 2025-08-27 9:29 a.m., Alan wrote:   
   >>>> On 2025-08-27 08:59, CrudeSausage wrote:   
   >>>>> On 2025-08-26 9:17 p.m., Alan wrote:   
   >>>>>> On 2025-08-26 19:34, CrudeSausage wrote:   
   >>>>>>> On 2025-08-26 6:27 p.m., Alan wrote:   
   >>>>>>>> On 2025-08-25 12:45, CrudeSausage wrote:   
   >>>>>>>>> On 2025-08-25 9:58 a.m., Alan wrote:   
   >>>>>>>>>> On 2025-08-25 05:56, CrudeSausage wrote:   
   >>>>>>>>>>> On 2025-08-24 6:57 p.m., Alan wrote:   
   >>>>>>>>>>>> On 2025-08-24 15:53, Joel W. Crump wrote:   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>> On 8/24/2025 6:27 PM, Alan wrote:   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> More specifically, if you're "not   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> wired for Apple", because you   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> replaced it with Windows, what   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> makes you more "wired" for that?   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Windows is just WYSIWYG, Mac is   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> quirky.  Linux requires   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> comprehension, which I have, but I'm   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> not disliking using Windows again,   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> for now.  I haven't made my decision   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> about replacing it with Linux on   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> this mini PC.   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Unresponsive.   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> In what way is Windows any more   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> WYSIWYG than macOS?   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I could be out of date, I guess, having   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> used macOS during Snow Leopard, but then   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> again it hasn't really changed   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> fundamentally, it's counterintuitive to   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> me.  They are on a lower intellectual   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> level than Microsoft, and definitely the   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> GNU/Linux realm. People who click with   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> macOS are willing to pay for the   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> privilege, but damn it's pricey, the   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> hardware options not competitive with   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Windows devices.   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>> IN WHAT SPECIFIC WAYS?   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>> HOW was it supposedly "counterintuitive"?   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>> See: I can list some ways that Windows as   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>> it stands TODAY is downright user hostile.   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>> 1. Windows 10 created a new application   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>> called "Settings"...   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>> ...but you still needed to use the Control   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Panel for some things.   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>> And that is still true (albeit to a lesser   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>> degree) of Windows 11.   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>> 2. How do you change the scrolling   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>> direction of the mouse wheel (assuming   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>> your mouse has one).   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>> I could go on, but believe me there are   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>> others that astound me all the time.   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>> And overall, the fluidity--the look and   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>> feel--of the interface is just terrible!   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>> The pointer doesn't move as smoothly. The   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>> rendering of... ...everything in the UI   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>> looks terrible.   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>> I hear you, with the way Windows settings   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>> have evolved, not being entirely coherent,   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>> but File Explorer is light years better than   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>> Finder as I experienced it under Snow   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>> Leopard. Edge is better than Safari, AFAIK.   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>> Apple is just the duller minds of the   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>> industry.   
   >>>>>>>>>>>> So, you're comparing which version of File   
   >>>>>>>>>>>> Explorer to an OS that came out 16 years ago;   
   >>>>>>>>>>>> Windows 7?   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>>>>>> HOW is "Edge better than Safari"? How can you   
   >>>>>>>>>>>> possibly say "AFAIK" about it?   
   >>>>>>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>>>>> For one, Edge uses the Chromium engine which   
   >>>>>>>>>>> provides for better compatibility with websites.   
   >>>>>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>>>> Who says so? I've yet to see a single problem on   
   >>>>>>>>>> any site I've used.   
   >>>>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>>> I've read developers complaining about it but I'm   
   >>>>>>>>> with you, I have yet to experience a problem. I   
   >>>>>>>>> don't have a Mac anymore, but I have no doubt that   
   >>>>>>>>> if I purchased one again, there would be no issue.   
   >>>>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>>>>> It also provides some very decent AI   
   >>>>>>>>>>> functionality that is completely absent from   
   >>>>>>>>>>> Safari.   
   >>>>>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>>>> You mean it forces you to use Copilot.   
   >>>>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>>> No, it doesn't.   
   >>>>>>>> Interesting.   
   >>>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>> What "AI functionality" is there in Edge that isn't   
   >>>>>>>> tied to using Copilot?   
   >>>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>> I'm genuinely asking.   
   >>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>> What I'm saying is that you are not obligated to use any   
   >>>>>>> of the AI functionality. It's tied to search, and you   
   >>>>>>> can use AI to produce some nice images related to a   
   >>>>>>> description you write, but it is otherwise no better   
   >>>>>>> than any other browser.   
   >>>>>> And what I'm saying is that if you WANT to use AI   
   >>>>>> functionality in Edge, it is going to be Microsoft's AI   
   >>>>>> you use.   
   >>>>>   
   >>>>> Why would Microsoft be forced to provide access to a   
   >>>>> competitor's AI if they have their own? It only makes sense   
   >>>>> that a proprietary company like Microsoft which believes you   
   >>>>> should use their proprietary browser and proprietary search   
   >>>>> engine should also expect you to use their proprietary AI.   
   >>>>>   
   >>>>   
   >>>> They wouldn't.   
   >>>>   
   >>>> But in a thread about Linux and choice, isn't the insistence   
   >>>> that Edge is superior because it integrates Copilot as its AI   
   >>>> a little contradictory?   
   >>>   
   >>> Edge is superior to Chrome because of its AI functionality.   
   >>> However, if it doesn't matter to you at all, the difference   
   >>> between both browsers is trivial. I'd still give the advantage   
   >>> to Edge because it supports certain extensions Chrome   
   >>> blacklisted, and I find its security features to be superior.   
   >>   
   >> What actual "AI functionality" does it give you?   
   >   
   > Well, I'm a fan of Microsoft Designer. If I want to create a   
   > picture really quickly, it provides me with some stellar results as   
   > long as my description is detailed. The search engine also has a   
   > summarizing feature that I like as much as the one in Brave. Of   
   > course, I don't use AI that much. If I do, it's only because I'm   
   > looking for something quickly.   
   >   
      
   Microsoft Designer is available at designer.microsoft.com, and doesn't   
   seem to require Edge at all.   
      
   >> It lets you access Copilot...   
   >>   
   >> ...without having to type in the URL to Copilot.   
   >>   
      
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