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   From: crude@sausa.ge   
      
   On 2025-08-30 12:16 p.m., Alan wrote:   
   > On 2025-08-27 19:18, CrudeSausage wrote:   
   >> On 2025-08-27 3:41 p.m., Alan wrote:   
   >>> On 2025-08-27 14:51, CrudeSausage wrote:   
   >>>> On 2025-08-27 9:29 a.m., Alan wrote:   
   >>>>> On 2025-08-27 08:59, CrudeSausage wrote:   
   >>>>>> On 2025-08-26 9:17 p.m., Alan wrote:   
   >>>>>>> On 2025-08-26 19:34, CrudeSausage wrote:   
   >>>>>>>> On 2025-08-26 6:27 p.m., Alan wrote:   
   >>>>>>>>> On 2025-08-25 12:45, CrudeSausage wrote:   
   >>>>>>>>>> On 2025-08-25 9:58 a.m., Alan wrote:   
   >>>>>>>>>>> On 2025-08-25 05:56, CrudeSausage wrote:   
   >>>>>>>>>>>> On 2025-08-24 6:57 p.m., Alan wrote:   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>> On 2025-08-24 15:53, Joel W. Crump wrote:   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 8/24/2025 6:27 PM, Alan wrote:   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> More specifically, if you're "not   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> wired for Apple", because you   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> replaced it with Windows, what   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> makes you more "wired" for that?   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Windows is just WYSIWYG, Mac is   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> quirky.  Linux requires comprehension, which I have,   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> but I'm   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> not disliking using Windows again,   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> for now.  I haven't made my decision   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> about replacing it with Linux on   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> this mini PC.   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Unresponsive.   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> In what way is Windows any more   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> WYSIWYG than macOS?   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I could be out of date, I guess, having   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> used macOS during Snow Leopard, but then   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> again it hasn't really changed fundamentally, it's   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> counterintuitive to   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> me.  They are on a lower intellectual   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> level than Microsoft, and definitely the   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> GNU/Linux realm. People who click with   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> macOS are willing to pay for the   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> privilege, but damn it's pricey, the   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> hardware options not competitive with   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Windows devices.   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> IN WHAT SPECIFIC WAYS?   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> HOW was it supposedly "counterintuitive"?   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> See: I can list some ways that Windows as   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> it stands TODAY is downright user hostile.   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 1. Windows 10 created a new application   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> called "Settings"...   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> ...but you still needed to use the Control   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Panel for some things.   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> And that is still true (albeit to a lesser   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> degree) of Windows 11.   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 2. How do you change the scrolling   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> direction of the mouse wheel (assuming   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> your mouse has one).   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I could go on, but believe me there are   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> others that astound me all the time.   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> And overall, the fluidity--the look and   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> feel--of the interface is just terrible!   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> The pointer doesn't move as smoothly. The   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> rendering of... ...everything in the UI looks terrible.   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>> I hear you, with the way Windows settings   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>> have evolved, not being entirely coherent,   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>> but File Explorer is light years better than   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Finder as I experienced it under Snow   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Leopard. Edge is better than Safari, AFAIK.   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Apple is just the duller minds of the   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>> industry.   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>> So, you're comparing which version of File   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>> Explorer to an OS that came out 16 years ago;   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>> Windows 7?   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>> HOW is "Edge better than Safari"? How can you   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>> possibly say "AFAIK" about it?   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>>>>>> For one, Edge uses the Chromium engine which   
   >>>>>>>>>>>> provides for better compatibility with websites.   
   >>>>>>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>>>>> Who says so? I've yet to see a single problem on   
   >>>>>>>>>>> any site I've used.   
   >>>>>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>>>> I've read developers complaining about it but I'm   
   >>>>>>>>>> with you, I have yet to experience a problem. I   
   >>>>>>>>>> don't have a Mac anymore, but I have no doubt that   
   >>>>>>>>>> if I purchased one again, there would be no issue.   
   >>>>>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>>>>>> It also provides some very decent AI   
   >>>>>>>>>>>> functionality that is completely absent from   
   >>>>>>>>>>>> Safari.   
   >>>>>>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>>>>> You mean it forces you to use Copilot.   
   >>>>>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>>>> No, it doesn't.   
   >>>>>>>>> Interesting.   
   >>>>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>>> What "AI functionality" is there in Edge that isn't   
   >>>>>>>>> tied to using Copilot?   
   >>>>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>>> I'm genuinely asking.   
   >>>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>> What I'm saying is that you are not obligated to use any   
   >>>>>>>> of the AI functionality. It's tied to search, and you   
   >>>>>>>> can use AI to produce some nice images related to a   
   >>>>>>>> description you write, but it is otherwise no better   
   >>>>>>>> than any other browser.   
   >>>>>>> And what I'm saying is that if you WANT to use AI   
   >>>>>>> functionality in Edge, it is going to be Microsoft's AI   
   >>>>>>> you use.   
   >>>>>>   
   >>>>>> Why would Microsoft be forced to provide access to a   
   >>>>>> competitor's AI if they have their own? It only makes sense   
   >>>>>> that a proprietary company like Microsoft which believes you   
   >>>>>> should use their proprietary browser and proprietary search   
   >>>>>> engine should also expect you to use their proprietary AI.   
   >>>>>>   
   >>>>>   
   >>>>> They wouldn't.   
   >>>>>   
   >>>>> But in a thread about Linux and choice, isn't the insistence   
   >>>>> that Edge is superior because it integrates Copilot as its AI   
   >>>>> a little contradictory?   
   >>>>   
   >>>> Edge is superior to Chrome because of its AI functionality.   
   >>>> However, if it doesn't matter to you at all, the difference   
   >>>> between both browsers is trivial. I'd still give the advantage   
   >>>> to Edge because it supports certain extensions Chrome   
   >>>> blacklisted, and I find its security features to be superior.   
   >>>   
   >>> What actual "AI functionality" does it give you?   
   >>   
   >> Well, I'm a fan of Microsoft Designer. If I want to create a   
   >> picture really quickly, it provides me with some stellar results as   
   >> long as my description is detailed. The search engine also has a   
   >> summarizing feature that I like as much as the one in Brave. Of   
   >> course, I don't use AI that much. If I do, it's only because I'm   
   >> looking for something quickly.   
   >>   
   >   
   > Microsoft Designer is available at designer.microsoft.com, and doesn't   
   > seem to require Edge at all.   
      
   But it does require Windows. It was not available to me from within Linux.   
      
   >>> It lets you access Copilot...   
   >>>   
      
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