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   From: nuh-uh@nope.com   
      
   On 2025-08-30 12:37, CrudeSausage wrote:   
   > On 2025-08-30 12:16 p.m., Alan wrote:   
   >> On 2025-08-27 19:18, CrudeSausage wrote:   
   >>> On 2025-08-27 3:41 p.m., Alan wrote:   
   >>>> On 2025-08-27 14:51, CrudeSausage wrote:   
   >>>>> On 2025-08-27 9:29 a.m., Alan wrote:   
   >>>>>> On 2025-08-27 08:59, CrudeSausage wrote:   
   >>>>>>> On 2025-08-26 9:17 p.m., Alan wrote:   
   >>>>>>>> On 2025-08-26 19:34, CrudeSausage wrote:   
   >>>>>>>>> On 2025-08-26 6:27 p.m., Alan wrote:   
   >>>>>>>>>> On 2025-08-25 12:45, CrudeSausage wrote:   
   >>>>>>>>>>> On 2025-08-25 9:58 a.m., Alan wrote:   
   >>>>>>>>>>>> On 2025-08-25 05:56, CrudeSausage wrote:   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>> On 2025-08-24 6:57 p.m., Alan wrote:   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 2025-08-24 15:53, Joel W. Crump wrote:   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 8/24/2025 6:27 PM, Alan wrote:   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> More specifically, if you're "not   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> wired for Apple", because you   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> replaced it with Windows, what   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> makes you more "wired" for that?   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Windows is just WYSIWYG, Mac is   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> quirky.  Linux requires comprehension, which I have,   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> but I'm   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> not disliking using Windows again,   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> for now.  I haven't made my decision   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> about replacing it with Linux on   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> this mini PC.   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Unresponsive.   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> In what way is Windows any more   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> WYSIWYG than macOS?   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I could be out of date, I guess, having   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> used macOS during Snow Leopard, but then   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> again it hasn't really changed fundamentally, it's   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> counterintuitive to   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> me.  They are on a lower intellectual   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> level than Microsoft, and definitely the   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> GNU/Linux realm. People who click with   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> macOS are willing to pay for the   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> privilege, but damn it's pricey, the   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> hardware options not competitive with   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Windows devices.   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> IN WHAT SPECIFIC WAYS?   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> HOW was it supposedly "counterintuitive"?   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> See: I can list some ways that Windows as   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> it stands TODAY is downright user hostile.   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 1. Windows 10 created a new application   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> called "Settings"...   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> ...but you still needed to use the Control   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Panel for some things.   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> And that is still true (albeit to a lesser   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> degree) of Windows 11.   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 2. How do you change the scrolling   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> direction of the mouse wheel (assuming   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> your mouse has one).   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I could go on, but believe me there are   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> others that astound me all the time.   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> And overall, the fluidity--the look and   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> feel--of the interface is just terrible!   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> The pointer doesn't move as smoothly. The   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> rendering of... ...everything in the UI looks terrible.   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I hear you, with the way Windows settings   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> have evolved, not being entirely coherent,   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> but File Explorer is light years better than   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Finder as I experienced it under Snow   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Leopard. Edge is better than Safari, AFAIK.   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Apple is just the duller minds of the   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> industry.   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>> So, you're comparing which version of File   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Explorer to an OS that came out 16 years ago;   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Windows 7?   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>> HOW is "Edge better than Safari"? How can you   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>> possibly say "AFAIK" about it?   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>> For one, Edge uses the Chromium engine which   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>> provides for better compatibility with websites.   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>>>>>> Who says so? I've yet to see a single problem on   
   >>>>>>>>>>>> any site I've used.   
   >>>>>>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>>>>> I've read developers complaining about it but I'm   
   >>>>>>>>>>> with you, I have yet to experience a problem. I   
   >>>>>>>>>>> don't have a Mac anymore, but I have no doubt that   
   >>>>>>>>>>> if I purchased one again, there would be no issue.   
   >>>>>>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>> It also provides some very decent AI   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>> functionality that is completely absent from   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>> Safari.   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>>>>>> You mean it forces you to use Copilot.   
   >>>>>>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>>>>> No, it doesn't.   
   >>>>>>>>>> Interesting.   
   >>>>>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>>>> What "AI functionality" is there in Edge that isn't   
   >>>>>>>>>> tied to using Copilot?   
   >>>>>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>>>> I'm genuinely asking.   
   >>>>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>>> What I'm saying is that you are not obligated to use any   
   >>>>>>>>> of the AI functionality. It's tied to search, and you   
   >>>>>>>>> can use AI to produce some nice images related to a   
   >>>>>>>>> description you write, but it is otherwise no better   
   >>>>>>>>> than any other browser.   
   >>>>>>>> And what I'm saying is that if you WANT to use AI   
   >>>>>>>> functionality in Edge, it is going to be Microsoft's AI   
   >>>>>>>> you use.   
   >>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>> Why would Microsoft be forced to provide access to a   
   >>>>>>> competitor's AI if they have their own? It only makes sense   
   >>>>>>> that a proprietary company like Microsoft which believes you   
   >>>>>>> should use their proprietary browser and proprietary search   
   >>>>>>> engine should also expect you to use their proprietary AI.   
   >>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>   
   >>>>>> They wouldn't.   
   >>>>>>   
   >>>>>> But in a thread about Linux and choice, isn't the insistenceo   
   >>>>>> that Edge is superior because it integrates Copilot as its AI   
   >>>>>> a little contradictory?   
   >>>>>   
   >>>>> Edge is superior to Chrome because of its AI functionality.   
   >>>>> However, if it doesn't matter to you at all, the difference   
   >>>>> between both browsers is trivial. I'd still give the advantage   
   >>>>> to Edge because it supports certain extensions Chrome   
   >>>>> blacklisted, and I find its security features to be superior.   
   >>>>   
   >>>> What actual "AI functionality" does it give you?   
   >>>   
   >>> Well, I'm a fan of Microsoft Designer. If I want to create a   
   >>> picture really quickly, it provides me with some stellar results as   
   >>> long as my description is detailed. The search engine also has a   
      
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