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   From: crude@sausa.ge   
      
   On 2025-09-03 9:50 a.m., -hh wrote:   
   > On 9/2/25 16:56, CrudeSausage wrote:   
   >> On 2025-09-01 1:23 p.m., -hh wrote:   
   >>> On 9/1/25 08:34, CrudeSausage wrote:   
   >>>> ...   
   >>>>   
   >>>> To be fair, Apple's devices can be obtained for a fair price in   
   >>>> their default configurations. Sure, the storage might be smaller   
   >>>> than expected and they might have less RAM than computers at the   
   >>>> same price, but the screen quality and battery life need to be   
   >>>> considered. However, upgrading that default configuration is   
   >>>> prohibitively expensive.   
   >>>   
   >>> "Expensive" ... if one only focuses on "TB of Storage" and ignores   
   >>> the net performance levels obtained.   
   >>>   
   >>> A classical example is assuming that all SSDs perform the same, so   
   >>> since one can get a 1TB SATA SSD for $25 at WalMart, that therefore   
   >>> any other SSD configuration must be a 'rip off'///   
   >>>   
   >>>   
   >>> No matter how much higher its bandwidth is:   
   >>>   
   >>> SATA-3 SSD: ~550MB/sec   
   >>> NVMe PCIe Gen 3 SSD:  ~3,500MB/sec   
   >>> 2022 Mac Studio M1 Max: ~5000(R) to 6,500(W) MB/sec   
   >>   
   >> I notice you omit Gen 4, which was already available on PCs in 2022.   
   >   
   > Sure because we've been talking about real world systems that posters   
   > here like Joel own, and presently I don't own a Gen 4 system yet.   
   >   
   > Reason being is a combination of purchase cycles / lifecycles, as well   
   > as not having an objective performance requirement for it:  as I already   
   > have mentioned, my current system is capable of 8K video editing, and   
   > since my best system is capable of 4K, I don't need it yet.   
      
   Since Gen 4 machines have been available for years now with Gen 5 being   
   the current default, there is no reason to suggest that these kinds of   
   systems aren't real.   
      
   >> According to the PCI Express table on Wikipedia, they can get to 7,877   
   >> GB/s at x4 which is the most common rate. Did you purposefully ignore   
   >> that information to make the Apple "deal" on storage prices appear   
   >> better?   
   >   
   > Keyword being "can".  My own benchmarking tests have found that I "can"   
   > hit ~6300 MB/sec, but that's not the minimum.   
      
   I'm nowhere near that for now, but my machine supports PCIe 3.0 x4 at   
   best. Still, it's more than fast enough for my needs.   
      
   >> What about PCI Express 5.0, which is also already available on PCs and   
   >> doubles that rate?   
   >   
   > And "what about" the current M4 series Mac Studio too?   
      
   As far as I know, the Mac Studio is nowhere near as affordable as   
   typical machine with PCIe 5.0.   
      
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