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   From: recscuba_google@huntzinger.com   
      
   On 9/2/25 16:56, CrudeSausage wrote:   
   > On 2025-09-01 1:23 p.m., -hh wrote:   
   >> On 9/1/25 08:34, CrudeSausage wrote:   
   >>> ...   
   >>>   
   >>> To be fair, Apple's devices can be obtained for a fair price in their   
   >>> default configurations. Sure, the storage might be smaller than   
   >>> expected and they might have less RAM than computers at the same   
   >>> price, but the screen quality and battery life need to be considered.   
   >>> However, upgrading that default configuration is prohibitively   
   >>> expensive.   
   >>   
   >> "Expensive" ... if one only focuses on "TB of Storage" and ignores the   
   >> net performance levels obtained.   
   >>   
   >> A classical example is assuming that all SSDs perform the same, so   
   >> since one can get a 1TB SATA SSD for $25 at WalMart, that therefore   
   >> any other SSD configuration must be a 'rip off'///   
   >>   
   >>   
   >> No matter how much higher its bandwidth is:   
   >>   
   >> SATA-3 SSD: ~550MB/sec   
   >> NVMe PCIe Gen 3 SSD:  ~3,500MB/sec   
   >> 2022 Mac Studio M1 Max: ~5000(R) to 6,500(W) MB/sec   
   >   
   > I notice you omit Gen 4, which was already available on PCs in 2022.   
      
   Sure because we've been talking about real world systems that posters   
   here like Joel own, and presently I don't own a Gen 4 system yet.   
      
   Reason being is a combination of purchase cycles / lifecycles, as well   
   as not having an objective performance requirement for it:  as I already   
   have mentioned, my current system is capable of 8K video editing, and   
   since my best system is capable of 4K, I don't need it yet.   
      
      
   > According to the PCI Express table on Wikipedia, they can get to 7,877   
   > GB/s at x4 which is the most common rate. Did you purposefully ignore   
   > that information to make the Apple "deal" on storage prices appear better?   
      
   Keyword being "can".  My own benchmarking tests have found that I "can"   
   hit ~6300 MB/sec, but that's not the minimum.   
      
   > What about PCI Express 5.0, which is also already available on PCs and   
   > doubles that rate?   
      
   And "what about" the current M4 series Mac Studio too?   
      
   As I've alluded to, higher system capabilities are relevant when there's   
   a reasonable objective need, which can also be informed by near term   
   'future proofing' plans.   
      
   For example, 8K video has hit the early adopter market, such as the MSRP   
   $4500 Canon EOS R5, which informed my future capability plan.  For the   
   4K 'early mainstream' market, the Canon EOS R6 is closer to my price   
   point, at roughly half the R5's retail price.   
      
   Moving to Smartphones, there's of course going to be a pretty big gulf   
   in image quality between any smartphone and a 24x35mm full frame sensor,   
   but for those who don't care, 4K's been around for quite awhile and   
   Apple doesn't offer 8K yet, although there's been a few Androids for   
   those who care.   
      
   Looking another generation down the road beyond 8K, that's 12K video;   
   Blackmagic has a system which starts at $7K (body only).  Of course   
   there will also be crappy quality smartphone sized systems too for the   
   people who don't know better and/or only care about "Sunny 16" conditions.   
      
      
   -hh   
      
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