XPost: comp.os.linux.advocacy, comp.sys.mac.advocacy   
   From: crude@sausa.ge   
      
   On 2025-09-04 1:11 p.m., Alan wrote:   
   > On 2025-09-04 09:42, CrudeSausage wrote:   
   >> On 2025-09-04 12:16 p.m., Alan wrote:   
   >>> On 2025-09-04 07:35, CrudeSausage wrote:   
   >>>> On 2025-09-03 10:17 p.m., Alan wrote:   
   >>>>> On 2025-09-03 18:00, Joel W. Crump wrote:   
   >>>>>> On 9/3/2025 7:23 PM, Alan wrote:   
   >>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>>>>>> You're free to be a cheapskate all you want, don't judge me   
   >>>>>>>>>>>> for doing the right thing, sheesh.   
   >>>>>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>>>>> The irony of someone who complains about the cost of Apple's   
   >>>>>>>>>>> devices calling someone else a "cheapskate"...   
   >>>>>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>>>> If overpaying for hardware to get great software support is a   
   >>>>>>>>>> plus for Apple, good for them.  I prefer to think of Windows   
   >>>>>>>>>> and Linux as being intended to reach a range of hardware, I   
   >>>>>>>>>> can switch to Linux any time, but Microsoft is giving me a   
   >>>>>>>>>> real choice that makes me want to indefinitely wait on that.   
   >>>>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>>> Way to utterly miss the point.   
   >>>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>> I admitted that Mac enthusiasts have reason to get what they   
   >>>>>>>> wish to get.   
   >>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>> The point is that you don't like the Mac because it costs too   
   >>>>>>> much (in your opinion)...   
   >>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>> ...but decry someone as a "cheapskate" for not wanting to spend   
   >>>>>>> ten times as much for a Windows license as he needs to.   
   >>>>>>   
   >>>>>>   
   >>>>>> To get it the right way, what I paid is Microsoft's price   
   >>>>>> including support I would never use, one can also get a System   
   >>>>>> Builder license for a bit less.   
   >>>>>   
   >>>>> And the story suddenly changes!   
   >>>>>   
   >>>>> What support do you get when you buy a Windows 11 license?   
   >>>>>   
   >>>>> I bet you can't quote it.   
   >>>>   
   >>>> When you buy the boxed product, you indeed get technical support if   
   >>>> anything goes wrong. I imagine that support is not available to   
   >>>> people who buy OEM licenses.   
   >>> Do you indeed?   
   >>>   
   >>> Where is that guaranteed?   
   >>>   
   >>> Here's the Microsoft page:   
   >>>   
   >>>    
   >>>   
   >>> You know what I don't see there?   
   >>>   
   >>> Any way to contact a PERSON or even an AI.   
   >>>   
   >>> Nor do I see any restriction on who can USE the resources that are   
   >>> provided.   
   >>   
   >> That's because you're willfully blind. Let's see what a routine search   
   >> on the web says about the matter:   
   >>   
   >> "Yes, buying a Microsoft Windows license typically comes with   
   >> technical support.   
   >> Microsoft provides support for downloading, installing, and activating   
   >> Windows, as well as assistance with account-related questions.   
   >   
   > How do they provide it?   
      
   A contact phone number offered with the boxed version of the product   
   which can also be contacted through the web. If you use the web, it will   
   first direct you to a FAQ so that you can help yourself. If that fails,   
   you can log into your account and then contact a person through the   
   phone or the web.   
      
   >> 1   
   >> When purchasing directly from Microsoft or authorized retailers, you   
   >> can expect access to customer support and help with any issues that   
   >> arise.   
   >   
   > Sounds like they're palming off the support, doesn't it?   
      
   How the heck does that paragraph suggest that they're "palming" anything?   
      
   >> 1   
   >> It's important to ensure that you are purchasing a legitimate license   
   >> to avoid any legal or support issues.   
   >> 1   
   >   
   > Sorry, but where does it say you won't get that support with an OEM   
   > license?   
   >   
   > Where does it say you actually GET that support?   
   >   
   > And if it is from a website, how is it restricted to only licenses   
   > purchased at retail prices?   
      
   If you have the boxed version, you get a pamphlet explicitly telling you   
   which numbers to call if you have problems, depending on where you live.   
   If you don't have that pamphlet, here is the website with the same   
   information:   
   .   
   Nevertheless, if it fairly clear that you are purposefully doing   
   everything in your power to suggest that Microsoft doesn't provide help   
   even though that is a clear lie. As for OEM licenses, I doubt that   
   Microsoft makes the distinction between a boxed and OEM version of the   
   keys. However, they reserve the right to tell a person that they should   
   go to a manufacturer for help if, after receiving your product key, they   
   determine that it should have been supplied to a company like HP.   
      
   >> For more detailed information, you can refer to the official Microsoft   
   >> Support page."   
   >>   
   >> It's funny. Back in the mid-2000s, I was primarily buying Apple   
   >> products. Somehow, I avoided becoming a zealot and could happily admit   
   >> that browsers on MacOS were a weak spot and that Windows XP machines   
   >> ran a lot faster. How did you get infected?   
   > I'm not "infected".   
   >   
   > I'm pointing out that paying $200 for something you can legally purchase   
   > for $20 is ridiculous.   
      
   Which is fine if it can be clearly determined that the $20 license is   
   entirely valid and legal. I encourage people to spend less if they can   
   since a boxed version comes with no benefit whatsoever other than a   
   locked USB thumb drive you can use to install the operating system. If   
   you can afford a thumb drive yourself and know how to download an ISO,   
   you're better off with the $20 version.   
      
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