XPost: comp.os.linux.advocacy, alt.comp.os.windows-11   
   From: nospam@needed.invalid   
      
   On Sun, 10/12/2025 2:13 AM, Lawrence D’Oliveiro wrote:   
   > On Sat, 11 Oct 2025 23:29:02 -0400, Paul wrote:   
   >   
   >> On Sat, 10/11/2025 6:47 PM, Lawrence D’Oliveiro wrote:   
   >>>   
   >>> On Sat, 11 Oct 2025 23:04:19 +0200, Carlos E.R. wrote:   
   >>>   
   >>>> How on earth are people like the military going to install and run   
   >>>> Windows in machines that are completely disconnected from   
   >>>> internet?   
   >>>   
   >>> I wonder why they would be using an OS that can’t even offer   
   >>> regular civilian-grade security, never mind military-grade ...   
   >>>   
   >> I don't expect Microsoft treats their military partners quite the   
   >> way they treat consumers.   
   >>   
   >> If you know the right keywords, you can find the odd tidbit.   
   >>   
   >> https://learn.microsoft.com/en-us/windows/win32/secauthz/c2-level-security   
   >   
   > “Service currently unavailable” ... but last I checked, the only way   
   > Windows could achieve that level of Orange Book security was by   
   > disabling any network access.   
   >   
   > Now, you *do* know that Microsoft is moving towards requiring a   
   > Microsoft account in order to activate Dimdows, right? Which means an   
   > Internet connection will be mandatory.   
   >   
   > Do you see the problem here?   
   >   
      
   So far, my track record is I've "got what I wanted, where I wanted it".   
   Thanks to some key third-party contributions. I couldn't make that claim,   
   if I didn't have help.   
      
   I think on just one occasion, I was thwarted. Couldn't get past   
   the MSA prompt ("a@a.com" didn't work). I tossed the install in   
   that case. There are more known workarounds available today, so that   
   does not have to happen a second time.   
      
   That is not "activation". That is the account setup step, and if you don't   
   complete account setup, you can't move on to the rest of the OOBE sequence.   
   With the right third party workaround today, that's not a problem.   
      
   Enrollment is the next issue, and Char says a recent test of the   
   script, showed enrollment worked. I don't see any eventual "winning" on   
   enrollment, so watching the behavior is mostly pointless. Only if the people   
   who paid $30 for enrollment, got screwed out of it, would I be visibly angry.   
      
   Microsoft knows exactly who I am. I used a credit card to pay for something.   
   That was a long time ago. But the chain of custody, the "free upgrades",   
   that credit card follows me around. They don't need to see my MSA, thanks :-)   
   They will have correlated all the computers I used since then (seeing   
   the activity come from the same IP address for periods of time).   
   They already know everything they could want to know. There is no   
   particular sense of privacy involved here, like denying them an MSA   
   makes me special. If I installed an OS "through seven proxies", it would   
   not help a bit. Computers are leaky buckets, one mistake, they know   
   who you are.   
      
      Paul   
      
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