XPost: alt.comp.os.windows-11, comp.os.linux.advocacy   
   From: ldo@nz.invalid   
      
   On Sun, 12 Oct 2025 09:31:59 -0400, Nick Charles wrote:   
      
   > On 10/12/2025 7:06 AM, Daniel70 wrote:   
   >>   
   >> Didn't MicroSoft produce a "smartphone" some time ago??   
   >   
   > Yes, they HAD one.  It was a spectacular failure.  Then MS tried   
   > Android.   That was an even bigger failure.   
      
   If they’d left Nokia alone, it might have succeeded. Remember, it was   
   after Microsoft man Stephen Elop took over at Nokia that it went all-in on   
   Windows Phone, and started its descent into the verge of extinction.   
      
   Nokia was on the verge of giving up and embracing Android, when Microsoft   
   acquired it, on the flimsy excuse of a highly dubious business case. The   
   real reason, of course, was as a (vastly expensive) corporate face-saving   
   measure, to try to blunt the PR impact of such a high-profile defection to   
   Google’s platform.   
      
   One irony was that Nokia had one all-too-brief success during the whole   
   saga, with its N9. This was based on a Linux kernel, like Android, but was   
   I understand it was structured more akin to desktop Linux in its openness.   
   Elop came on board to late to kill the N9 project, but was able to ensure   
   it was a one-off, with no follow-on successors.   
      
   So the phone was released, to very limited markets. It got rave reviews,   
   sold out, and that was the end of it.   
      
   > Microsoft does not know shit about the mobile market.   
      
   Remember, they dominated it at one time, with “Windows Mobile” products   
   back in the era of the “PDA”, or “Personal Digital Assistant”. They   
   even   
   killed off an innovative rival, Palm, just through sheer marketing power,   
   not by actual superiority of product.   
      
   Somehow things changed a decade or so later, and Android (with Google’s   
   help) was able to come in and completely upset the apple cart (so to   
   speak).   
      
   > The point remains.  Windows 11 is NOT a mobile OS.   MS has no mobile   
   > OS.  And they wish they had one now.   
      
   They have tried to adapt Windows to many different uses outside the   
   desktop. None have succeeded -- thanks to Linux.   
      
   Even handheld gaming, running actual Windows games, is being dominated by   
   Linux.   
      
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