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   From: brock.mcnuggets@gmail.com   
      
   On Nov 27, 2025 at 1:05:05 AM MST, "Lawrence D´Oliveiro" wrote   
   <10g90nh$16s76$2@dont-email.me>:   
      
   > On 27 Nov 2025 07:02:35 GMT, Brock McNuggets wrote:   
   >   
   >> On Nov 26, 2025 at 11:36:31 PM MST, "Lawrence D´Oliveiro" wrote   
   >> <10g8rhf$158qm$2@dont-email.me>:   
   >>   
   >>> On 27 Nov 2025 06:35:42 GMT, Brock McNuggets wrote:   
   >>>   
   >>>> On Nov 26, 2025 at 10:30:09 PM MST, "Lawrence D´Oliveiro" wrote   
   >>>> <10g8nl1$13t7t$2@dont-email.me>:   
   >>>>   
   >>>>> Both companies have spent decades conditioning their user base to be   
   >>>>> allergic to the command line.   
   >>>>   
   >>>> Both macOS and Windows have a command line.   
   >>>   
   >>> Supposedly.   
   >>   
   >> No. Factually. And I am happy they do. I use Macs mostly and it is   
   something I   
   >> wanted long before Apple moved from Classic:   
   >>   
   >> ...   
   >>   
   >> This is not just academic, it is something I really appreciate in macOS.   
   And I   
   >> like the Linux CLI options. All good.   
      
   > Wonder why they needed to bring in actual Linux, then.   
      
   It is open source and they can run it in a VM. Why not? And why do you think   
   Linux brings in things from Windows and macOS?   
   >   
   >> As you have noted, Linux also seeks to bring in things from Windows and   
   >> to some extent macOS.   
   >   
   > Its GUI heritage comes from Unix, not from Windows or MacOS.   
      
   The WIMP model comes from Apple (or NeXT). As do many of the other things we   
   now take for granted:   
      
   * Double clicking   
   * Trash can (or the like)   
   * Graying out inactive items   
   * Checkmarks next to menu items   
   * Keyboard shortcuts for menu items   
   * Drag and drop   
   * Full file system in GUI (as icons)   
   * GUI based hierarchical folder structure   
   * Editing documents with direct mouse manipulation   
   * The clipboard (and later one with multiple versions of the same data   
     so you can paste plain text or formatted text, etc.)   
   * Control panel to set system settings   
   * Pull down menus   
   * Desktop accessories (now known as widgets or gadgets)   
   * Meta-data associations with icons (data about the data being   
     associated with the file)   
   * Self-redrawing windows (at Apple) and later windows where the image   
     was still held in memory even when not visible, making the redraw be   
     instantaneous from the perspective of a user (called double buffering   
     and done at NeXT)   
   * X to close a window (this is from NeXT - I was surprised by that)   
      
   MS also added some things:   
      
   * Contextual (right click) menus   
   * Drag indicators (to show copying, moving, making a shortcut / alias)   
   * The Start button   
      
   >> * NTFS & exFAT: They were not a part of the Linux kernel for some time.   
   >> Now they are.   
   >   
   > They are there for compatibility, not because they are a good idea. Linux   
   > has much superior filesystems available -- that cope better with lots of   
   > small files, just for example.   
      
   And the Linux offerings are also for compatibility. Not sure why you are stuck   
   on them. Also odd that you left out the other areas I mentioned:   
      
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   But look at just SOME of the things Linux has "taken" from macOS:   
      
   * The Dock: GNOME uses a similar one to macOS.   
   * The single menu: Unity used this for some time. KDE has the option.   
   * Systemd: influenced by macOS's launchd.   
   * CUPS: Apple of course got this from the open source world, improved it, and   
   Linux adopted it.   
   * Command+Space search: KDE and GNOME have adopted this   
   "launcher-as-search-engine" paradigm, moving away from nested menu trees.   
      
   From Windows:   
   * The Start Menu: Cinnamon, XFCE, KDE, and others use something similar.   
   * NTFS & exFAT: They were not a part of the Linux kernel for some time. Now   
   they are.   
   * SMB/CIFS Protocol: Samba allows Linux to appear the same as Windows on a   
   network.   
   * UEFI & Secure Boot Shims: Hardware changed based on Windows, Linux adapted.   
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   I am NOT saying it is wrong for Linux to get stuff from others. Nor that the   
   open source world has not offered a lot to MS and Apple. But just by the very   
   nature of open source, OF COURSE Apple and MS will use it. That is what it is   
   made for -- to be used in an open way!   
      
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