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   From: brock.mcnuggets@gmail.com   
      
   On Dec 13, 2025 at 6:57:03 PM MST, "Lawrence D´Oliveiro" wrote   
   <10hl5hf$jeli$9@dont-email.me>:   
      
   > On 13 Dec 2025 21:35:40 GMT, Brock McNuggets wrote:   
   >   
   >> On Dec 13, 2025 at 3:05:55 AM MST, "Lawrence D´Oliveiro" wrote   
   >> <10hjdq3$3tm78$1@dont-email.me>:   
   >>   
   >>> Now, suddenly, Linux has made the command line cool again, and those   
   >>> two are desperately trying to play catch-up.   
   >>   
   >> Suddenly? Linux / UNIX has always had a command line -- since long   
   >> before Apple or MS existed.   
   >   
   > Correct. And that was always seen by Microsoft and Apple users as   
   > something scary and complicated, to be avoided, pretty much at all costs,   
   > in favour of point-and-click ways of doing things.   
      
   For whom? Most users do use the GUI. Notice Unix / Linux has moved that way...   
   but there are also clearly benefits to the CLI. I have been saying this since   
   before WIMP model GUIs were that common on Unix, and before Macs had CLIs of   
   any value. The earliest public stating of this I can find is 1995... but I was   
   saying it long before then:   
      
       -----   
       UNIX and MacOS are used for different things in different   
       ways. UNIX is very powerful if you spend a LONG time   
       learning all of the commands and utilities and are a   
       computer-oriented person who can figure out how to put this   
       all together to do what you need to do. The ability to pipe   
       commands and use shell scripts allows non-programmers to   
       combine other's programs and do what they need to do, even   
       in batch processing. It is very cool.   
      
       The MacOS is built so that the learning curve will be short   
       and allow the user to still do very slick powerful things.   
       With AppleScript and (perhaps) OpenDoc Mac will be gaining   
       some of the strenghts og UNIX, and with OpenWindows or other   
       such programs a UNIX environment gains some of the   
       ease-of-use of a Mac. But they are, at least for now, still   
       both better at what they were originally designed to be.   
      
       And in any case, they are BOTH so far beyond Win 3.1 that it   
       is hard to believe how Win 3.1 is so popular with the   
       masses. UNIX and the MacOS... the OS combination of the   
       Gods!   
       -----   
       Yes, DOS is an advantage PC's have that the Mac does not. I   
       prefer UNIX, but I can live with DOS. Sadly, almost all PC's   
       of today are Windows based machines. If DOS was a good   
       environment that had good applications with a common fromt   
       end and could do any sort of multitasking and.... well, if   
       DOS were a combo of UNIX and Mac it would be cool. I just   
       wish we had something that combined the two. In theory that   
       is the way both UNIX and Mac are growing... with PC's doing   
       a poor immitation of both.   
       -----   
       The Mac is not the end all in computer technology. Where it   
       fails, UNIX excels. Between the two, there is almost no task   
       that computers would be used for that can not be done. And   
       one or the other will beat the competition in almost every   
       area. For most people in most situations, however, the MacOS   
       offers more than they will ever need, and does it for them   
       .... no, allows them to do it for themselves more easily   
       than any other OS commonly on the market today.   
      
       Get a Mac. And then get a SUN UNIX station.   
       -----   
      
   Apple now has Automator (which will be deprecated in the not too distant   
   future) and Shortcuts. And we now see KDE and Gnome and many others. What I   
   wanted / predicted in 1995 has largely come true.   
      
   > And those platform   
   > owners happily encouraged such a mentality ... up until recently.   
      
   My quotes, from 1995, prove you wrong. :)   
      
   > How else to describe the change in viewpoint as “sudden”?   
      
   What change? Where are you getting this from? Users of all modern desktop OSs   
   tend to use the GUI... which makes complete sense. But it is also good they   
   have command line shells. Not sure why you think this would be in any way   
   controversial.   
      
      
   --   
   It's impossible for someone who is at war with themselves to be at peace with   
   you.   
      
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