XPost: comp.os.linux.advocacy, comp.sys.mac.advocacy
From: crude@sausa.ge
On 2026-01-04 21:36, Alan wrote:
> On 2026-01-04 18:22, CrudeSausage wrote:
>> On 2026-01-04 19:27, Alan wrote:
>>> On 2026-01-04 15:21, CrudeSausage wrote:
>>>> On 2026-01-04 14:55, Alan wrote:
>>>>> On 2026-01-03 18:26, CrudeSausage wrote:
>>>>>> On 2026-01-03 20:20, Sn!pe wrote:
>>>>>>> CrudeSausage wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> [...]
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Linux supports almost every platform under the sun.
>>>>>>>> How many platforms does MacOS run on?
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> macOS is designed to run on Apple kit, nothing else. If it ran
>>>>>>> on other manucturers' (inferior) hardware, Apple would not sell
>>>>>>> as much of their own kit, which is where they make their money.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> This is not rocket surgery, just sound commercial design.
>>>>>> Which is entirely my point. Some of us buy hardware with the
>>>>>> intention of doing whatever we want with it. We have a choice to
>>>>>> run Windows or Linux if we bought x86-64, but Linux is still an
>>>>>> option for us if we bought hardware of any other platform. If I
>>>>>> were to buy a Mac, there is no doubt that I would have excellent
>>>>>> hardware under my fingers when I type. Nevertheless, the hardware
>>>>>> will never allow me to do whatever I want with it because,
>>>>>> inevitably, Apple will cease to support it a few years after I
>>>>>> bought it with no realistic option to keep it useful once the
>>>>>> updates stop coming. I'm left with the option of buying a new one
>>>>>> from Apple and allowing them to recycle my machine.
>>>>>
>>>>> Ummmmmm...what?
>>>>>
>>>>> Apple's support goes on for years, dude.
>>>>
>>>> Seven years on average. It's part of why I got an iPhone 13 over an
>>>> Android which is usually supported for no more than two years. It's
>>>> the same with the desktops and laptops. People with 2019 models of
>>>> Apple computers are already aware that their machines are about to
>>>> be forgotten.
>>>
>>> Ummmmm...no. That's more Linux snob bullshit.
>>
>> There's no need to refute you when AI does it so well for all of us.
>> But I'm sure AI is a Linux snob too:
>>
>> "The 2019 Macs, which are Intel-based, will receive their final major
>> macOS update with macOS 26 Tahoe, which is the last version to support
>> Intel-based Macs.
>> This means that starting in 2026, these models will no longer
>> receive new feature updates. However, the 2019 MacBook Pro and 2019
>> iMac will continue to receive security updates for three years after
>> the release of macOS 26 Tahoe, including two additional years of
>> security patches beyond the feature update period.
>> This brings the total support duration to approximately five years
>> from the end of their sale cycle, aligning with Apple’s recent pattern
>> of providing about five years of support post end of sale.
>> After this period, no further updates—neither feature nor security—
>> will be provided, making these devices increasingly vulnerable to
>> security threats and incompatible with modern software."
>>
>> *FIVE* *YEARS* . Even Microsoft supports hardware for longer.
>
> Wow. You're arithmetic skills are for shit, too!
>
> What is 2025 - 2019, hmmm?
>
> I'll give you six guesses.
I was referring to the last part which says "This brings the total
support duration to approximately _five_ years
from the end of their sale cycle, aligning with Apple’s recent pattern
of providing about _five_ years of support post end of sale."
Way to read, zealot.
>>>>> My last laptop was a 13" MacBook Pro (A1502) from early 2015, and I
>>>>> only replaced it with my current M3 MacBook Air in early 2024.
>>>>>
>>>>> I got about 8.5 years out of it, and when I finally replaced it, it
>>>>> was capable of running macOS (12)...
>>>>>
>>>>> ...which came out AFTER I'd already replaced the machine.
>>>>
>>>> A series of articles has been written about how long Apple supports
>>>> its computers. Heck, I even did an AI search for you:
>>>>
>>>> "Apple typically provides hardware support for iPhones and Macs for
>>>> five to seven years after the last sale date of the product.
>>>> For iPhones, this support window includes both software updates
>>>> and hardware repair services, with major iOS updates generally
>>>> available for six to eight years after release.
>>>> After the end of software support, Apple continues to provide
>>>> security patches and limited hardware repairs for up to two more
>>>> years, after which devices are classified as "vintage" or "obsolete"
>>>> and no longer receive official service.
>>>> For Macs, hardware support generally lasts around five years from
>>>> the discontinuation of a model, although some models have received
>>>> extended support due to longer sales periods."
>>>
>>> OK. So?
>>
>> So, I just confirmed that I was right and that you are full of poop
>> like every other Apple zealot.
>
> Nah... ...you can't even do the basic arithmetic.
Meanwhile, you seem to be illiterate. Even in the part you quoted, it
clearly says "_five_ to seven years."
>>>>>> Meanwhile, Linux just allowed my brother to give a third life to
>>>>>> his laptop from 2007.
>>>>> Which is good usage, I grant you.
>>>>>
>>>>> But don't pretend that "Apple cease[s] support in a few years".
>>>>
>>>> Five to seven years, even our AI overlords agree.
>>>
>>> "Five to seven years" in computing is not "a few".
>>
>> Meanwhile, people are going nuts because Microsoft's Windows 11
>> refuses to support machines from 2017. I guess us PC users are idiots
>> for expecting to hold onto our hardware for as long as we want rather
>> than as long as the manufacturer wants us to.
> How does what Microsoft do impact what Apple does?
>
> And does your hardware magically stop working when you no longer receive
> the latest OS upgrade? Hmmm?
It doesn't, but it definitely becomes insecure for daily use. Since the
newer Macs don't allow you to install a different operating system, they
might as well be considered paperweights the moment they no longer
receive updates if you're even slightly worried about online threats.
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CrudeSausage
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