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   From: nobody@haph.org   
      
   -hh  news:10kp9kv$1nbgc$1@dont-email.me Wed,   
   21 Jan 2026 01:20:31 GMT in comp.os.linux.advocacy, wrote:   
      
   > Blown capacitors are another common failure point on older PCs...how   
   > many of these are socketed?   
      
   That's not just PCs...Electrolytics do have a life span. They're used in   
   practically everything. I don't know why you'd want to spend the effort to   
   socket a two pin device? It's very easy to desolder them and replace them   
   with a fresh component and solder whether it's SMD or THT. It's not even a 5   
   minute job once you have the necessary access to the component.   
      
   Don't you think you might be trying to compare Apples and Oranges here   
   though? a Capacitor is hardly an SSD drive or RAM module.   
      
   >   
   >>> Its been 40+ years since I've owned a computer whose RAM was installed   
   >>> in sockets - - are you suggesting that this is what we all should be   
   >>> "just in case" going back to?   
   >>   
   >> What sort of computers have you been using for the past 40+ years that had   
   >> their RAM soldered in place? And what do you mean by going back to? Socket   
   >> based RAM is still very much a thing.   
   >   
   > No, the stuff you're referring to is a hybrid, because even though there   
   > was a SIMM/DIMM socket, the RAM chips on its board was soldered.   
      
   Most desktops do not have ram soldered onto their mainboards. Some of the   
   expansion cards do though. Some laptops/mini/all in ones do...and not all of   
   those have any options to add more. I wasn't disputing that. None of your   
   comments take away from the fact that if a NAND chip which makes up the   
   soldered on SSD shorts to ground; the Apple is going to be a paperweight. It   
   won't boot from external media; it won't even turn on.   
      
   > I was referring to earlier PCs, where there was no RAM soldered at all,   
   > because each RAM chip was installed into its own dedicated socket.  This   
   > was in the early Apple ][ series.   
      
   Ahh. You were including ancient by todays standards gear. My Coco3s ram was   
   also soldered to the main board. However, you could replace it for larger   
   chips as well as solder on additional ones. I opted for the 512k expansion   
   board. The chips on the board were socketed.   
      
   I don't typically include my experience with it or the Apple computers I   
   used at school in the early 80s. Green screen 5.25 floppies; some had dual   
   drives. You still use the old Apple? Is it for nostalgic reasons or   
   something?   
      
   You really do seem to be pulling interesting things to try and argue about   
   here...A capacitor and some very old computers that few people use anymore?   
   I was talking about much more modern gear and I don't think you weren't very   
   aware of that. I wouldn't have used them as PC examples in the context I've   
   been discussing a PC or Mac, either. I don't think the typical user of   
   either would consider those families along the same lines or having much of   
   anything in common with what's sitting in front of them today.   
      
   Especially considering that when you use the term PC computer - it's   
   generally assumed that you are referring to an IBM compatible. The term has   
   meant that to the mainstream since the late 1980s. And neither the coco   
   series or the Apples of that era were considered a PC in that context. This   
   seems like it might be a bit of a red herring on your part?   
      
      
      
      
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