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   On 28/12/2024 00:32, Arne Vajhøj wrote:   
   > On 12/27/2024 3:54 PM, Single Stage to Orbit wrote:   
   >> On Fri, 2024-12-27 at 14:34 -0500, Arne Vajhøj wrote:   
   >>>> This has been discussed previously here:   
   >>>>   
   >>>> https://groups.google.com/g/comp.os.vms/c/ufBEqvGdglU   
   >>>>   
   >>>> That discussion has pointers to various examples,   
   >>>   
   >>> In general VMS Pascal/VMS Basic code should be maybe 25% shorter   
   >>> than equivalent C code. But with a descriptor centric API like   
   >>> SMG$ then it may be more like 40% shorter.   
   >>>   
   >>> One could make a nice wrapper in C++ encapsulating the context   
   >>> and convert between stl::string / C char array and descriptors.   
   >>>   
   >>> But then a full screen VT UI is a concept that has been obsolete   
   >>> for 30 years, so maybe there is little point.   
   >>   
   >> People are still writing apps using the console.   
   >   
   > There is still a need to write command line tools. Mostly   
   > for system administrators and developers, but still there.   
   >   
   > But full screen VT UI applications? I doubt many of those   
   > get written today. Whether custom code using SMG$ or one   
   > of TDMS/FMS/DECForms. The end users expectations for UI   
   > has changed. GUI or Web.   
   >   
   > Arne   
   >   
   In the mid naughties I used SMG to provide a better UI for HHTs on the   
   shop floor - using a terminal emulator on the HHTs   
      
   Far better than the earlier implementation.   
      
   This was in Basic, where I wrote a couple of functions to front end it,   
   then called the SMG routines.   
      
   Went down well on the shop floor   
      
   --   
   Chris   
      
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