From: davef@tsoft-inc.com   
      
   On 12/27/2024 8:10 PM, Chris Townley wrote:   
   > On 28/12/2024 00:32, Arne Vajhøj wrote:   
   >> On 12/27/2024 3:54 PM, Single Stage to Orbit wrote:   
   >>> On Fri, 2024-12-27 at 14:34 -0500, Arne Vajhøj wrote:   
   >>>>> This has been discussed previously here:   
   >>>>>   
   >>>>> https://groups.google.com/g/comp.os.vms/c/ufBEqvGdglU   
   >>>>>   
   >>>>> That discussion has pointers to various examples,   
   >>>>   
   >>>> In general VMS Pascal/VMS Basic code should be maybe 25% shorter   
   >>>> than equivalent C code. But with a descriptor centric API like   
   >>>> SMG$ then it may be more like 40% shorter.   
   >>>>   
   >>>> One could make a nice wrapper in C++ encapsulating the context   
   >>>> and convert between stl::string / C char array and descriptors.   
   >>>>   
   >>>> But then a full screen VT UI is a concept that has been obsolete   
   >>>> for 30 years, so maybe there is little point.   
   >>>   
   >>> People are still writing apps using the console.   
   >>   
   >> There is still a need to write command line tools. Mostly   
   >> for system administrators and developers, but still there.   
   >>   
   >> But full screen VT UI applications? I doubt many of those   
   >> get written today. Whether custom code using SMG$ or one   
   >> of TDMS/FMS/DECForms. The end users expectations for UI   
   >> has changed. GUI or Web.   
   >>   
   >> Arne   
   >>   
   > In the mid naughties I used SMG to provide a better UI for HHTs on the shop   
   > floor - using a terminal emulator on the HHTs   
   >   
   > Far better than the earlier implementation.   
   >   
   > This was in Basic, where I wrote a couple of functions to front end it, then   
   > called the SMG routines.   
   >   
   > Went down well on the shop floor   
   >   
      
   And let me guess, a WEENDOZE GUI might not work so well on the shop floor?   
      
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