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   John Dallman to Dorsey   
   Re: Itanium support is back in GCC 15   
   23 Feb 25 21:29:00   
   
   From: jgd@cix.co.uk   
      
   In article , kludge@panix.com (Scott   
   Dorsey) wrote:   
      
   > The whole idea of the VLIW system is that the compiler will be able   
   > to optimize the code to gain paralellism of units inside the single   
   > processor. This is a very very ingenious idea but nobody has yet   
   > been able to make a compiler that could do it well enough for it to   
   > be a real win.   
      
   Sadly, the job is *impossible*.   
      
   The fundamental problem in optimisation for modern computers is the   
   slowness of main RAM, which isn't currently solvable at a reasonable cost.   
   We use caches to mitigate it.   
      
   Out-of-order execution addresses this problem by tracking the data   
   dependencies on memory and registers in real time and executing   
   instructions when their data is available. This has worked pretty well   
   for almost thirty years for x86 and the other architectures that are   
   still competing on performance.   
      
   Itanium/EPIC was an alternative to this. The management of data   
   dependencies wasn't to be done dynamically by hardware, but in advance by   
   the compiler. This requires the compiler to track what data is in cache   
   so that advance loads can be scheduled correctly to have data available   
   in time. Unfortunately, in a multi-core system with a multi-tasking   
   operating system, it's impossible to know in advance what data will be in   
   cache, because that depends on what else is running.   
      
   Other flaws of Itanium include the bulky instruction set, which needs   
   more memory bandwidth and larger caches than other architectures, and an   
   architectural misfeature which means floating-point advance loads that   
   are outstanding across subroutine calls can fail silently.   
      
   If anyone tries to re-use ideas from Itanium, they'd be well-advised to   
   keep quiet about where they got them. There is remaining prejudice   
   against it, which is well-justified.   
      
   John   
      
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