From: arne@vajhoej.dk   
      
   On 3/26/2025 8:14 AM, Dan Cross wrote:   
   > In article ,   
   > Arne Vajhøj   wrote:   
   >> On 3/26/2025 1:09 AM, David Meyer wrote:   
   >>> Is there anything in the VSI licensing that would prevent a community of   
   >>> VMS and Rust (for example) fans from developing a VMS port of a Rust   
   >>> compiler and releasing the compiler as open source?   
   >>   
   >> No.   
   >>   
   >> VMS users can write or port all the compilers they want to. And   
   >> they have done so in the past: old versions of GCC C and C++ ran on   
   >> VMS VAX and VMS Alpha, old versions of Gnat Ada ran on VMS Alpha   
   >> and VMS Itanium.   
   >>   
   >> The reason it is not happening is not license restrictions, but   
   >> lack of interest (willing to do work type of interest - not   
   >> it would be nice if somebody else did the work interest) in   
   >> the VMS community.   
   >>   
   >> The specific discussion was about the LLVM compiler backend,   
   >> that VSI use for their compilers. If VSI made that available   
   >> (it is open source) then it would be easier for people to   
   >> write or port new compilers using LLVM as backend.   
   >   
   > The official Rust compiler is an interesting case in point, as   
   > it's already built on LLVM.  Getting it running on VMS probably   
   > wouldn't be that hard; getting it to output code targetting VMS   
   > is probably harder, but certainly doable.   
      
   Oversimplified I believe work would be:   
      
   "frontend" - should not be VMS specific, but it is written   
   in Rust so a bootstrapping process is needed - compiler bootstrapping   
   is a known concept, but still some work   
      
   "backend" - LLVM, if VSI release their VMS LLVM changes some integration   
   work, if not a huge porting work   
      
   "library" - effort will depend on how much is directly calling the OS   
   (meaning LIB$ or SYS$ calls on VMS) and how much it is utilizing the   
   C RTL - I don't know that so it can be little or much work   
      
   "VMS stuff" - installation script, VMS debugger support,   
   the equivalent to the C descrip.h, starlet.h and lib$routines.h etc. -   
   also some work (but when that work start then the goal post   
   is in sight!)   
      
   Certainly doable. It is being done all the time. Similar work has   
   been done on VMS in the past.   
      
   But still let us call it "non trivial".   
      
   Arne   
      
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