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   Lawrence D'Oliveiro to Waldek Hebisch   
   Re: Bootcamp   
   06 Jul 25 03:22:46   
   
   From: ldo@nz.invalid   
      
   On Sun, 6 Jul 2025 00:36:51 -0000 (UTC), Waldek Hebisch wrote:   
      
   > Lawrence D'Oliveiro  wrote:   
   >>   
   >> It was always tricky to emulate *nix on proprietary OSes. But   
   >> emulating proprietary OSes on Linux does actually work a lot   
   >> better. Look at WINE, which has progressed to the point where it   
   >> can be the basis of a successful shipping product (the Steam Deck)   
   >> that lets users run Windows games without Windows. That works so   
   >> well, it puts true Windows-based handheld competitors in the shade.   
   >   
   > You mention Wine, but do you know what you are talking about?   
      
   Just look at the success of the Steam Deck, and you’ll see.   
      
   > What went wrong?  Clearly VSI hit some difficulties.  Public information   
   > indicates that work on compilers took more time than expected (and that   
   > could slow down other work as it depends on working compilers).   
      
   Weren’t they using existing code-generation tools like LLVM? That should   
   have saved them a lot of work.   
      
   No, the sheer job of reimplementing the entire kernel stack (including   
   custom driver support) on a new architecture was what slowed them down.   
   And the effort should have been avoided.   
      
   --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05   
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